E229 Taking the Opportunity of a Lifetime with Rashelle Herrera

What can happen when you are committed to investing in your growth, and you have a fire to learn? You can speed up your career by years.

But don’t take my word for it, listen to this #jammingwithjason #podcast episode and hear a real life case study of what Rashelle Herrera has been able to accomplish in less than a year.

You will hear about the importance of establishing, maintaining and sustaining relationships, being what your organization needs when it needs it, taking the opportunity of a lifetime even though it’s scary, and what you can accomplish when you aren’t afraid and keep learning.

And when you have access to the tools and resources you need and deserve, the sky is the limit on what you can accomplish.

Discover if the Audit Leader Forum and Certified Chief Audit Executive (cCAE) programs discussed in this episode are right for you by visiting these websites so you can take your own opportunity of a lifetime. #internalaudit

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Listen in at: https://www.jasonmefford.com/jammingwithjason229/

Transcript

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Jason Mefford: Alright, well, I am super excited for today’s episode, because what I like to do every so often is give all of you a great case study.

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Jason Mefford: On what’s possible and today’s guest is exactly that kind of person i’ve got rashly Herrera, with me that i’ve known for for quite a while we’ll get in and we’ll talk a little bit about that.

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Jason Mefford: But what I love about her story is how she’s really kind of grab the bull by the horns, if you will, and especially this last year year and a half of her career.

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Jason Mefford: has made some pretty amazing things happen that I want to make sure and share with all of you, because as i’ve told you before.

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Jason Mefford: there’s clues in success and so as we watch other people have success it helps us to be able to know exactly what you need to do to get that success in your life as well, so with that we’re gonna roll that episode.

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Jason Mefford: All right, rationally, it is great to have you with me today how are you doing.

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Rashellee Herrera: i’m pretty good thanks for having me it’s it’s super cool to hear the intro wow.

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Rashellee Herrera: Can you read for the intro.

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Jason Mefford: And it was like you get a little behind the scenes behind the scenes right, because I know you’ve been you’ve been listening to the podcast for for quite a while now, I think that’s kind of how you and I ended up.

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Jason Mefford: Meeting initially I think right.

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Rashellee Herrera: yeah so you’re listening back in February of this year.

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Jason Mefford: Okay yeah and you’re just you’re just one of those people that makes me smile, you have a beautiful smile, and I want to say I think cool beans to right cool beans.

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Jason Mefford: I love that catchphrase I hear you say every so often do that just makes me.

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Jason Mefford: Just makes me happy, but you know I I wanted to bring you on and talk because.

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Jason Mefford: You know, like I said at the beginning, I think you’ve you’ve done some pretty amazing things in your career this last year, so.

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Jason Mefford: And it’s all because of what you have done and there’s you know i’ve talked about different habits, other things that.

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Jason Mefford: That make people successful, but you are a testament to the fact that if you do these things, you will be successful, you will go where you want to go right along the way, so I thought we kind of jump in and get get started, you know kind of talking about this because.

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Jason Mefford: You know I know I know for quite a while you were working for the same company and then at some point you just kind of decided it’s time for something else.

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Rashellee Herrera: A lot more or less yeah I was at the same company for the majority of my career, where I learned a ton I started there literally as an auditor one.

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Rashellee Herrera: Just textbook theory no practical experience and then I really developed all the way through.

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Rashellee Herrera: All my skills, all the way through to an audit manager and when I when I was there and I was not a manager there for a couple of years, and you can say that, and in terms of the sea and the tea, I really, really honed my a skills at that previous company.

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Rashellee Herrera: And then I was recruited from there it’s another company to help them to build out their internal audit function.

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Jason Mefford: Okay yeah and I think I think the first thing you know is is is like that there’s a lot of people that kind of stay with the same company or they want to stay with the same company because it’s comfortable.

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Jason Mefford: Right you’ve been there for a long time, you know and they know you, but every so often in our life we get opportunities that come along.

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Jason Mefford: Right and that’s that’s what you got right so.

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Jason Mefford: You know, and I don’t know I don’t I actually don’t know if you were actively looking or if this you know new company reached out to you, it happens, sometimes both ways, so how was it, how was it in your career, where you looking for something are we.

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Rashellee Herrera: Right, no, I definitely wasn’t looking I am one of those rare people that I could stay at the same company forever and.

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Rashellee Herrera: just fine.

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Rashellee Herrera: So, but now I was I wasn’t looking the opportunity presented itself and I thought I would be a fool if I didn’t actually do this because ultimately.

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Rashellee Herrera: What do I want to be in this field, not a not a manager forever and and you know, and you know in any audit shop you’re only going to have one person at the head of the department, so I can stay.

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Rashellee Herrera: But I wouldn’t I would never be that person, so I was being given an opportunity of a lifetime, I think.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and I think that that’s a great way to look at it right that’s a phrase, a lot of us here opportunity of a lifetime right but, but so much of the time, I mean you had that choice at that point in time, right that you could have said wow no i’m okay i’m just gonna stay here.

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Rashellee Herrera: I did.

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Jason Mefford: Right, but instead when that opportunity came along, you chose to take it.

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Rashellee Herrera: Which is against my nature.

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Rashellee Herrera: As.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and it’s against a lot of people’s nature right because we get comfortable it’s like man, this is going to be something new that i’m going to have to do that, I might have to learn.

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Jason Mefford: Right, but when those opportunities come along and i’ve seen this from you, for a little while now right that, when some of these opportunities come along, even though it might not be in your nature.

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Jason Mefford: you’re still reaching out and taking those opportunities.

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Jason Mefford: Right and and again, you know it’s it’s like like I said I mean it’s it came to you, you had an opportunity.

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Jason Mefford: And you took it now now when you took it because, again right you’re going from you know and again we’re talking about.

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Jason Mefford: Internal Audit because rationally happens to work and internal audit, but this is true for any of you, regardless of what kind of career, you have right, you were trained very well, you were very good at what your job was, but this opportunity was going to be something different right.

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Jason Mefford: Was that a little scary.

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Rashellee Herrera: Very scary it was it was very scary because, at my previous company being there for so long, I know all the people I knew all the processes I knew I knew what I was doing I was comfortable.

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Rashellee Herrera: The new opportunity or what’s to be expected of me and.

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Rashellee Herrera: I have to learn new people new build new relationships, but is also not something i’m naturally comfortable with either.

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Rashellee Herrera: building relationships learn an entire new business something, then i’m completely not comfortable with.

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Rashellee Herrera: So, in some ways, I felt like will I be starting from scratch, but not with the audit perspective, but just with you know just learning the new the new business and the new people, and that was a little bit scary for me.

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Rashellee Herrera: Because you know the different kinds of people i’m not the most social I don’t I don’t go out of my way to talk to people.

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Rashellee Herrera: And that makes sense.

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Jason Mefford: Well, it does, but knowing you I can’t imagine you’re a funny person to hang out with anyway, so you know but yeah we we you know a lot of people, especially in this profession or just in general, I mean i’m guessing you would consider yourself more of an introvert than extrovert.

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Jason Mefford: Definitely right, so I find myself i’m the same way right, and so I can be the life of the party.

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Jason Mefford: But but that’s not usually where i’m most comfortable right, and so a lot of times like that knowing.

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Jason Mefford: You know the art you already knew the job right you already have those skills down so that was going to be pretty easily transferable.

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Jason Mefford: But like you said there’s is building relationships there’s learning the whole new company there’s kind of it is that starting over kind of feeling that I was guests was going through your head, that was a little scary.

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Rashellee Herrera: yeah and then it’s just starting over for sure, and, as you say, like I knew the job, but I knew.

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Rashellee Herrera: I knew the job, and I would say that probably what I found out the most and that started happening earlier this year was that I knew how to audit, but I didn’t necessarily know the other parts of the job.

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Rashellee Herrera: Like the strategic aspects of the job, the executive aspects of the job like what like what what does that really entail.

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Jason Mefford: yeah well in at that point right, I mean you can, and this is again I think something for for people to kind of learn.

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Jason Mefford: You knew that you didn’t have that So what did you do.

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Rashellee Herrera: When looking.

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You went looking right.

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Jason Mefford: Now now i’m gonna i’m gonna give you, you know sweet props for that right away Okay, because a lot of times when.

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Jason Mefford: When when we realize it or maybe an overhead we don’t know something we need to learn something sometimes people just shut down right, but instead you went looking right would you go looking for where were you where were you trying to find.

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Rashellee Herrera: well.

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Rashellee Herrera: I guess, something that I learned was that to really know even what to start looking for is to find out what it is that you, you want your what your objective is.

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Rashellee Herrera: So I knew that my objective well okay so just to back up a little bit a couple years back, I was at one of the gang conferences and I.

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Rashellee Herrera: listened to Richard chambers give this incredible presentation and he was promoting his book for the trusted advisors and I bought the book and I read the book and that book really kind of cemented for me what I what I wanted to be as the head of a an internal audit department.

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Rashellee Herrera: It gave me like like oh wow these things really are possible, and this is like a really good way to look at what the audit function can do so when I was looking this year to see how to be better at what the what this job is what I went looking for is, how can I become a trusted advisor.

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Rashellee Herrera: Like specifically that like an internal audit and honestly just Google searches and one of the things that I came across was i’m jammin let’s Jason the specific episode was one of the earlier ones where you spoke with Larry harrington.

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Rashellee Herrera: And that conversation completely blew my mind, then, I went back to the first episodes I started seeing in February, but i’m all caught up I started, I was listening to you like just non stop.

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Rashellee Herrera: Non stop like catching up on all the episodes I was like oh my gosh my mind, is completely blown.

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Rashellee Herrera: And it really shifted something in me like it.

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Rashellee Herrera: It made me feel, how do you say it it’s backed up what I what I learned from the trusted advisors book but it’s a things to a whole other level, like the next level.

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Rashellee Herrera: And it just like the more or less than the more I wanted to listen to more I wanted somewhere and just and just kept kept kept looking.

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Rashellee Herrera: And then, so the people that you would talk to I would look into them and, like if they recommended books, I would not all the books, with some of the books, I would read those books and and I would learn from them as well, so it’s it’s it’s been a lot of learning a lot about a lot of girl.

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Jason Mefford: Well yeah and I think it’s interesting you know so so if we back up just a little bit just to kind of recap, because, again, sometimes we need to hear things more than once right but.

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Jason Mefford: Before you even started looking you had to know what your objective was right.

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Jason Mefford: And, and like you said you’d read that you know or came across a term trusted advisor realize that was something that you were looking for that you wanted to do.

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Jason Mefford: So then, how can I become that right, and however through all the synchronicities that happen in the world, you ended up upon that that particular episode.

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Jason Mefford: So, so when you when you talk about you know that it started shifting something in you What was it What was it shifting or what was shifting, how can you describe that to people what was happening.

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Rashellee Herrera: um.

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Rashellee Herrera: I would say that it was more of.

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Rashellee Herrera: This makes sense to me this feels natural to me this feels good to me this feels like something that I can do, I just need to keep learning.

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Rashellee Herrera: Where before it was.

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Rashellee Herrera: I wasn’t as confident in that feeling.

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Jason Mefford: Well that’s that’s a big one that I hear from a lot of people right is because, if we don’t really know.

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Jason Mefford: And we don’t feel very confident and if we’re not very confident, then what we’re doing is and usually that good as well right but I guess it like you said it, it made it feel like this is something you can do.

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Jason Mefford: And I guess in that gave you hope, or how would you describe that.

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Rashellee Herrera: Hope hope is good hopes, a good word it gave me hope it gave me i’m probably a little bit of fire actually.

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Rashellee Herrera: Fire yeah.

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Rashellee Herrera: That was that was incredibly motivated.

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Jason Mefford: So what was I guess what was motivating for you about it.

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Rashellee Herrera: Well okay so i’m in a position where I was in a position where I was the acting head of.

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Rashellee Herrera: Of the internal audit function and.

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Rashellee Herrera: As the I think Ted if you know, it was the thought was always well for me to eventually get the time to develop in the role and then become the head of the role.

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Rashellee Herrera: But then, a couple of things shifted and that the company decided to go public a couple years sooner than it initially anticipated, and so the need, then, for a real head then of the internal audit department.

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Rashellee Herrera: became more urgent and the fire that I had well with other things that I was learning, I was I.

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Rashellee Herrera: What I wanted to do was to make sure that I was that person when that person is chosen.

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Rashellee Herrera: I didn’t want it to be someone else that, then I would be necessarily reporting to them and having to.

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Rashellee Herrera: He has followed their vision, especially their vision wasn’t aligned with all the things that was firing me up all these months.

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Jason Mefford: So just just for people that are you know they’re listening that are familiar with kind of internal audit how it works.

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Jason Mefford: Just kind of explain that right, so you were hired you were brought in as an interim or acting had you know with the idea of kind of growing into the role you thought you had a few years to.

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Jason Mefford: grow into it.

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Jason Mefford: All of a sudden know things change now we’re going to do this, much quicker right.

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Jason Mefford: And so yeah there was the risk to you, if you will, that hey I thought I had two or three or four years before I i’d be kind of like fully promoted it’s almost like a not not really probationary time but kinda.

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Jason Mefford: Right.

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Rashellee Herrera: Right yeah.

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Jason Mefford: yeah and so, so there was some uncertainty as to whether or not this was going to be your job or if they were going to look at you a year from now, and say yes you’re not quite ready yet we better hire somebody and over the top of you right.

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Jason Mefford: If i’m understanding it right.

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Rashellee Herrera: Now exactly exactly.

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Jason Mefford: And so that’s probably what gave you some of the fire is look.

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Jason Mefford: i’m going to be the one who gets the job not somebody else right.

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Jason Mefford: Well that’s exactly what happened isn’t it.

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Rashellee Herrera: Exactly what happened.

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Jason Mefford: Exactly what happened, but I know you’ve been you’ve been investing a lot in yourself, you know this last year or so I guess it didn’t it hadn’t even been quite a year I don’t think right he said.

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Rashellee Herrera: Eight months.

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Jason Mefford: yeah so you have accomplished a tremendous amount in eight months of getting yourself kind of upscale up skilled.

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Jason Mefford: right to be able to take over that position, so what are some of the things that you did in that in that time because again people that are listening kind of be like whoa hold it how.

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Jason Mefford: How did that happen, how did it happen so quick because I want people to kind of see what you’ve done and and start to see you know the the the trends, the parallels and how they can kind of translate that into their life as well.

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Rashellee Herrera: Well, I guess the, the first thing, obviously, is listening to your podcast complete at it yours, and also to Trent russell’s podcast as well.

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Rashellee Herrera: it’s pretty great and just listening and getting information and perspectives from many different people and learning from many different people then.

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Rashellee Herrera: Another thing that I did was well, I have a pretty supportive group here and my company very supportive leaders and.

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Rashellee Herrera: One of the things that I that I did um and it was kind of pushed by them this part of it and, in that they they mentioned hey you know, is there a course or something that you can say.

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Rashellee Herrera: And I thought well there used to be, I know that I had a vision university course that they did for for the heads of internal audit departments, but then I looked into that for about two seconds and then.

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Rashellee Herrera: I was like but I don’t know if that’s really what’s what’s best for me, but then I also knew from this thing’s all your podcasts that you have a program.

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Rashellee Herrera: The chief audit executive forum, but I also thought I wouldn’t be eligible, because because I wasn’t a chief audit executive.

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Rashellee Herrera: So, then, I reached out to you on linkedin and I think everything happens for a reason, because the timing of that was just incredible because I think I reached out to you in April, beginning of April, and you were getting ready to roll out the new.

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Rashellee Herrera: registration period, and it was kind of like right in there and I got and I got in and I felt like that to me felt a little bit like destiny.

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Rashellee Herrera: could have been any other month, but it was right, but you know if I like destiny.

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Rashellee Herrera: So I started participating in that and I.

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Rashellee Herrera: went back and I listened to all of the previous recordings and the program so I went back to I guess 2019 was the first time I listened to them all caught up.

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Rashellee Herrera: With that and those conversations just hearing the different perspective from all the different shape lot of executives and just learning about hiccups that they’ve had, and in some cases, things that i’ve seen and my current role.

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Rashellee Herrera: And and and and just listening to just just get the insight from everyone is really catapulted I think my knowledge and my awareness, with just how to think about things and.

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Rashellee Herrera: Then you came out with the Chief Executive course and.

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Rashellee Herrera: it’s.

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Rashellee Herrera: I got it right away right away excited I was doing.

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Rashellee Herrera: The programs faster than you could put them out.

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Rashellee Herrera: And do before.

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Jason Mefford: yeah.

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Rashellee Herrera: yeah yeah we get super excited i’m each time another one will come out and that was just do the programs I didn’t actually did the course of a couple of times.

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Rashellee Herrera: i’ve been through like each thing multiple times because, as you say you know you don’t necessarily get something, the first time and then each time you listen to something you hear something different, and.

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Rashellee Herrera: I i’ve just been just been a sponge really just just taking everything in and trying to apply, little by little little things that I learned something and trying to take that and to apply to my day to day and it’s been.

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Rashellee Herrera: Very fun.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and that’s why.

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Jason Mefford: I I didn’t know some of the stuff that you just told me right there, so I mean again I I knew, you were a rock Star and that you were kicking butt.

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Jason Mefford: But it’s.

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Jason Mefford: it’s exciting for me to see somebody else who was also as curious and loves learning.

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Jason Mefford: Like you seem to write.

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Jason Mefford: Because there was this fire behind you, I mean to go back and listen to all of my podcast episodes you know, and I know some are better than others so many probably like Jason was to get through this right.

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Jason Mefford: But you went you went back through you listen to all of those you know you come into the new program you go back and listen to two years, worth of you know, over two years worth of.

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Jason Mefford: recordings and videos from beforehand right, I mean most of the people that have been in the program they don’t they don’t ever go back and watch him right you watch the whole thing you went through this CCA course.

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Jason Mefford: You know twice, you were just devouring that like I said quicker than I could bring it out.

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Jason Mefford: doing everything I could.

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Jason Mefford: Fast but, but you know, I think that shows again the type of person that you are and why you’ve been able to accomplish what you have so quick, I mean you effectively crammed a couple of years, worth of learning into these eight months.

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Jason Mefford: I don’t know if you realize that or not.

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Rashellee Herrera: I I do actually I do I do I realized it and, at the same time.

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Rashellee Herrera: It doesn’t feel like it’s cramming but it doesn’t feel like cramming like the normal results of pattern for an exam that you cram and you take the test, and then you forget everything and, in this case, it feels like it’s.

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Rashellee Herrera: it’s there it’s like it’s like a part of me because it’s.

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Rashellee Herrera: it’s a lot of information in a short period of time, but it’s also little information, a little bit at a time like I was just it’s just something I do it daily you know just just a part of my life my habits.

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Jason Mefford: It because yeah I mean it’s it’s the.

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Jason Mefford: You know, as you go through and kind of talk about that, and then you start applying these things day to day that’s where you start to get it, but but yeah I mean.

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Jason Mefford: So, so if we read rewind a little bit right so let’s let’s assume again when you got when you got the new role you had a couple of options that you could have chosen from.

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Jason Mefford: You knew you needed to learn something you could have gone out and just read a bunch of books or just you know done some.

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Jason Mefford: Some Internet searches let’s say and try to figure it out on your own right that’s one option that could have happened.

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Jason Mefford: But you very quickly and, like you said it felt like it was destiny and again when you reached out to me it’s like well, of course, you can come in the program right it’s like you’re right here, you need this sort of thing.

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Jason Mefford: But.

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Jason Mefford: You know, having that and going through and watching all of those videos.

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Jason Mefford: Literally was like getting years of perspective in a very short period of time right because some of the people that you were listening to on those videos.

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Jason Mefford: they’ve been in this role for 20 years I mean, these are some kick ass people in the industry who really.

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Jason Mefford: You know, have their shit together and they they know what’s what’s going on right but, but even they have some challenges and other things at different times but.

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Jason Mefford: You know, going through a program like that, having the dedication like you had of learning and doing a little bit every day or a little bit every week.

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Jason Mefford: You know, really sped up what it would take most people on their own five to 10 years to learn, you were able to learn, but you didn’t just learn it you started applying it as well.

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Jason Mefford: Right so So what are some examples, maybe a things that you actually you don’t is it that this is one thing that a lot of people we go through, we take a bunch of courses and we get a bunch of content, but we never really learned anything because we never really apply it.

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Jason Mefford: Right so so how what what were, maybe some of the things that are ways that you were able to kind of take this or apply it into what you’re doing so you actually learned it you got it it’s internalized at that point.

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Rashellee Herrera: I would say the two biggest things i’m David the two biggest things are one, the importance of relationships right.

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Rashellee Herrera: And lately I knew that.

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Rashellee Herrera: Like i’m good at talking talking to people who don’t necessarily like to but naturally empathetic and so like I.

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Rashellee Herrera: I build relationships, but I am not the person that necessarily.

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Rashellee Herrera: Go out of that goes out of my way to try to sustain that relationship like you know.

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Rashellee Herrera: What one of the things I took from the program was think houses.

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Rashellee Herrera: You know, to like develop and maintain and sustain it so like when I think they took them that is actively working on that actively working on not just.

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Rashellee Herrera: yeah we’re you know we get along great, and you know i’m a nice person, you know i’m a nice person, but actually staying active.

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Rashellee Herrera: In the with the with the people that are building relationships with overtime and not just when I need something or when they need something.

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Jason Mefford: that’s what this what this one of the first things yeah it’s important and, again, a lot of people don’t don’t realize that or don’t think about it right well i’ve got a relationship, because I, you know we we dated before we got married.

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Jason Mefford: And now.

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Jason Mefford: Now for the next two years i’m going to ignore you unless I need something right that’s not a very good, you know recipe for marriage.

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Jason Mefford: And it’s not really a good relation or you know recipe for relationships as well, so okay so yeah and.

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Jason Mefford: actively working on sustaining those relationships doing something each week or each month or whatever it is, but actually being intentional about it.

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Jason Mefford: sounds like has been one of the things that’s been very helpful for you, so what so what what’s the other one or two that you’re going to mention.

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Rashellee Herrera: Another one is.

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Rashellee Herrera: Being what the business needs from the business needs it, and not just wearing my internal auditor hat and, as far as saying that you know I can’t do X y&z because that would impair my objectivity.

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Rashellee Herrera: So that’s one of the things I took from from the podcast and also from the from the Program.

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Rashellee Herrera: And really going out a way to be value added to the business value can come in many different ways it’s but it’s being what the what the business needs and the business needs it.

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Jason Mefford: yeah I love, how you just said that there at the end value comes in different ways, I think, is a beautiful thing for us to remember.

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Jason Mefford: In career, as well as personal life as well right that that we can show up and add value, but its.

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Jason Mefford: value is really about what the other person perceives as value and not necessarily what we perceive as value right.

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Jason Mefford: And so it’s almost like you kind of went from a kind of realized look it’s not necessarily about me and about what I need to do, but what do the other people need, and how can I show up and kind of serve that way does that.

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Jason Mefford: Sound right so it’s almost like a shift shift on you have i’ve got a job to do i’ve got these tasks to check off my list versus what is it that the other person really needs for me, because my checklist probably isn’t may not be that important at the end of the day.

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Rashellee Herrera: Exactly and.

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Rashellee Herrera: Then the third one is.

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Rashellee Herrera: The vision and the strategy that I have for the apartment is making sure that whatever we’re doing it’s in line with the strategies of the company we’re not over here, looking at something that no one really cares about.

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Rashellee Herrera: But you know we like it so we’ll look at it it’s making sure that what we’re what we’re looking at is actually the things that that that they need from us that we’re aligned with the with the strategies of the company.

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Jason Mefford: And those have been word sounds like those have been working out pretty well for you so far.

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Rashellee Herrera: yeah.

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Jason Mefford: yeah well it’s it’s it’s nice like I said I mean, I just wanted to kind of chat to.

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Jason Mefford: share your experience, so thank you for sharing your experience because, again, I think a lot of people.

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Jason Mefford: A lot of people are in the situation, you were in before right where it’s like I need some help I don’t really know where to go I don’t necessarily know what to do right, but they can look at what you’ve been able to accomplish and see if that works for them.

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Jason Mefford: You know, because it’s it’s.

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Jason Mefford: Like I said i’m proud of you.

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Jason Mefford: I mean you have you’ve really kicked butt this last this last year and it, it takes a lot of awareness and I think it’s.

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Jason Mefford: To give you a lot of credit to is that a lot of times it’s hard for people to admit that they need help, or that they want to accept help, or that they want to get help.

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Jason Mefford: And so that first acknowledgement, you know kudos on you, you know back in February of hey I need some help, let me, let me go figure out what it is that I need.

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Jason Mefford: But then, also the commitment, because you know again so many people they’ll start something and they’ll work really hard for a couple of days, and then they stopped.

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Jason Mefford: And then they stopped right.

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Jason Mefford: But you haven’t you haven’t you’ve continued on right with that grit with the commitment that whatever it is that you want to call it, of.

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Jason Mefford: You know, continuing to keep going and keep doing those things that have been making you successful and I love, how you kind of you know, pointed out those three areas because again.

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Jason Mefford: You keep doing those things you’re going to be successful over your whole career, regardless of where your career takes you because because those are three things right that.

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Jason Mefford: are important, regardless of what job you might have.

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Rashellee Herrera: A.

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Jason Mefford: heck even in our personal life, you know as well, because how much of the time don’t we don’t we spend the time sustaining certain relationships and then we wonder what happened.

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Jason Mefford: Because we weren’t there, it was the it was the equivalent of i’m dealing with my stuff and you just kind of unless I need you i’m not gonna you know reach out to you.

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Jason Mefford: So yeah so I mean you know you’ve kind of come through this this part of the journey, are there any.

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Jason Mefford: Particular pieces of wisdom that you would give to people, you know.

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Jason Mefford: Or what what you might have told yourself a year year and a half ago, or two years ago, to give you encouragement or.

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Rashellee Herrera: i’m.

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Rashellee Herrera: I think what I would what I would say to my self two years ago, is to.

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Rashellee Herrera: not be afraid.

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Rashellee Herrera: Not not be afraid, the the the fear that I that I felt or the anxiety that I that I felt or gave myself was completely unnecessary and the.

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Rashellee Herrera: The thing that you do to overcome, that is to just keep learning educate yourself.

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Jason Mefford: Well, actually do some of this stuff right because again learning.

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Jason Mefford: learning is an active thing.

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Rashellee Herrera: It is, I don’t think you really learn unless you do right.

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Jason Mefford: yeah well and that’s why and again the.

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Jason Mefford: Because I love that you brought that up because again so much of the time we get anxious we get fearful of different things.

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Jason Mefford: And I, and I know you know even again, this is not to call you out or anything like that, but it’s because we all do this right, where.

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Jason Mefford: When we get an opportunity or something presents itself, our first natural reaction is no hope i’m not quite ready yet right, and so I remember when I reached out to you, and you know your point was well I don’t i’ve never done that, before give me a couple of months right.

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Jason Mefford: To which, of course, since I.

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Jason Mefford: have to help kind of coach you it’s like well what makes you think you’re going to be any more confident you know, three months from now can’t you just have a conversation with somebody.

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Jason Mefford: And again, you know your willingness at that point, because again i’ve seen you grow and develop over this last year and to where.

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Jason Mefford: You know you weren’t afraid and so that advice that you would have given yourself back then you’re taking now to write, because at the end of the day, there’s no not really anything to be afraid of right you’re not going to die from coming on here and.

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Jason Mefford: Talking.

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Rashellee Herrera: I mean it could happen.

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Jason Mefford: chances are.

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Jason Mefford: You have a better.

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Jason Mefford: chance of winning the lottery than you do.

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Jason Mefford: But like I said i’ve seen you show up and you’re actually taking that advice for yourself to.

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Jason Mefford: Which is, which is great advice it’s not just great career advice, but it’s great advice in life, I think, as well too.

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Jason Mefford: Well, thank you for for taking the time and coming on here with me like I said i’m i’m just really proud of what you’ve accomplished you’ve put in the hard work and you’ve.

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Jason Mefford: you’ve gotten exactly where you want it to be and i’m i’m happy for you.

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Rashellee Herrera: Thank you.

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Rashellee Herrera: Thank you so much Jason.

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Jason Mefford: you’re welcome, and again I mean lots of people listening to this are going to be able to get out of it and realize.

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Jason Mefford: The same things that rationally has done for the last year folks is the same thing you can do as well because i’m guessing right other people can do what you were doing right.

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Jason Mefford: yeah okay everyone every everybody can do it, but.

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Jason Mefford: It does take that commitment and investing in yourself in doing the things, but these things are possible and, like in your situation much faster even then you realized that it was going to be as well.

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Jason Mefford: But here you are here you are.

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Jason Mefford: All right, well thanks for Ashley and really appreciate you coming on.

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Rashellee Herrera: Thank you, thanks.

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