Fire & Earth Podcast E111: Don’t I Know You???

Past life regression. What is it? Furthermore, how does this help you improve and enrich your life?

Have you ever felt a certain affinity to a certain person or place for some inexplicable reason? What about feeling as if you have memories that you never personally lived through?

It’s possible that you may have created these memories or experienced these people and places in a past life!

In today’s episode we discuss past life regression and how this can be a great tool for therapy and self improvement.

To schedule a Past Life Exploration hypnotherapy session with Kath, visit: http://www.healingcirclehypnotherapy.com/

Transcript

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Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast, I’m your co host Jason Medford

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kathygruver: And I’m Kathy gruver and I’m so excited for this conversation. We’re going to be talking to you about one of my most favorite things past life regression and reincarnation, and the possibility

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kathygruver: That you may have lived in another lifetime. I’ve been playing with us since high school. So I’m very excited about this.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and I am too because I, you know, we’ve known each other for a while, but I didn’t realize the history behind it. I knew that you did some past life.

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Jason Mefford: Regression hypnosis work, but I didn’t know this, you know, and I was kind of introduced to this probably a year or so ago when i when i when i read a book. And there’s been several other things that have come along and

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Jason Mefford: You know, I think, I think we all and and you know, again, this is going to get a little whoo, whoo. For some of you, and that’s fine. But if it is, then, you know, listen, listen with an open mind. Right, but

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Jason Mefford: You know, I think, I think most of us, and you probably feel this way to this isn’t the first time you you’ve been here.

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Jason Mefford: You know there’s things like deja vu experiences that we have, there’s other stuff that you know we. A lot of people, especially if they’re religious believe in an afterlife, but we forget to talk about the pre life and the fact that we’ve been here before.

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Jason Mefford: In different times in different places experiencing different things as part of our total cosmic growth as well.

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Jason Mefford: So, so, yeah. Kathy. I haven’t heard the story. So maybe you know tell let’s let’s get into how did you get started because I know you said, I think this was clear back in high school, when you started

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Jason Mefford: You know, looking into this and then again you’ve kind of done this for many years, right, because high schoolers, a long time ago. For most

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Jason Mefford: High Five years ago, five

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kathygruver: For those of you on audio. Yeah, it’s been five years. Let’s go with that. Now, it was I was obsessed with metaphysical and magic and any sort of books like that I used to sneak them out of the library because I was raised.

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kathygruver: Pretty strictly Catholic and I was glad this always this fear of getting in trouble.

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kathygruver: Yeah, so I was so afraid that if I check the book out of the library, they would like call my mom and do like, you know, a Kathy’s rating, which

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Jason Mefford: Is stealing them out and then bringing them back.

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kathygruver: Oh I stole them.

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kathygruver: Yeah, that’s

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kathygruver: More logical that that take a bath. I would photocopy them and then I’ve returned them, but I remember finding books on reincarnation.

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kathygruver: And one of them had an audio cassette. Those are these small things that aren’t CDs or MP3 that you put into a machine and then listen to, for those of you don’t know. And I remember listening to these cassettes and it was this guided

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kathygruver: Past life regression. And I started doing that in high school.

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kathygruver: And move on to college. I had a couple friends that were really into it. I had started studying with Roger Walter and read the book, which I know we’re going to talk about many lives. Many masters.

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kathygruver: And it just zoomed me so much and so on Friday and Saturday nights when everybody else was out partying and getting drunk. I would have people into my dorm and I do past life regression

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kathygruver: I was different, not to say I didn’t go up other nights. But yeah, so it’s just something I’ve been fascinated with and it, it made sense to me, having been raised Catholic, it is that you’re born, you die, you go to heaven or hell.

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kathygruver: To me it was like, well, I had too many questions about that, like what my heaven is different than somebody else’s heaven. And what do you see other people like what does that, how does that work.

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kathygruver: And the you’re born, you die. It’s pointless and you just go back to dirt made no sense, because then what’s

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kathygruver: The purpose. What’s the point and talk about life being unfair. You know, you get somebody who’s born upper middle class.

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kathygruver: In California versus someone who’s in some small village somewhere, who’s getting generally mutilated at six.

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kathygruver: Wait what, this is our only shot at this so the only thing just to me and everyone has their own opinion on this.

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kathygruver: The only thing to me that made sense was this idea of coming back. Multiple times trying it again and again I equated to high school, I create equated to like summer stock theater. We’ll talk about all those metaphors at some point.

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kathygruver: But it just made sense to me. So, and I’ve regressed

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kathygruver: Dozens of people. It’s how I got into hypnosis.

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kathygruver: Well, yes.

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kathygruver: For a lot

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Jason Mefford: You know, like you said it was the same thing. I mean, because I grew up very religious myself right Mormon instead of Catholic, but it was the same thing, you know, but

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Jason Mefford: But what was interesting is there. There were some things in the Mormon religion, right, that actually when you step back and you and you think about it from a broader perspective.

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Jason Mefford: Right. I mean, they, they talk about, you know, there was this grand council before and we all kind of

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Jason Mefford: You know, decided who our parents were going to be and how we were going to come down and what we were going to do and that we were going to grow. During this life. And then we move on.

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Jason Mefford: Right to something else. Now, again, it’s still pretty much like a once and done kind of a feel in that right and then whatever you do, here you you go on to the heaven right

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Jason Mefford: And they actually believe there’s a couple of different heavens, but won’t get into that today right but but I remember you know to as a young kid, kind of in a young kid. And then, as I’ve gotten older to it was that whole idea of heaven and hell yeah you know and and i think it’s it’s

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Jason Mefford: You know, the idea of looking around at some of these other people who were going to be going to have quote unquote heaven and it’s like, I don’t want to be with these people.

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Jason Mefford: You know, I want to go somewhere else. But it, but it makes a lot of a lot of sense. Again, like you said when you start to when you stop and start thinking about it.

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Jason Mefford: And then you see a lot of the ancient traditions and other stuff that’s out there. There’s a lot of stuff out there about reincarnation.

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Jason Mefford: You know, the, the, you know, Judeo Christian creed that that a lot of people in the world kind of fall under an umbrella. Today it’s like one god you know you’re born, once you die, you go to heaven or hell kind of a thing. But almost every ancient tradition. It’s not about that.

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Jason Mefford: It’s about some form of reincarnation about learning about growth.

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Jason Mefford: In doing this, you know, multiple times as well. And so, so yeah. You know, I kind of got introduced to it by reading that book, many lives. Many masters.

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Jason Mefford: Which is a fabulous book.

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Jason Mefford: You know, that’s the first one. I think it’s Tournament of the guy’s name while

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kathygruver: Brian Weiss.

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Jason Mefford: Weiss Weiss, that, you know, I think the first book was him. He was a hip hypnotist and he was trying different things with this one, one particular lady.

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Jason Mefford: And things just weren’t working. And so he heard about past lives, I think. And he’s like, All right, well, let’s try it. Right.

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Jason Mefford: And one of the sessions and it was like, holy crap. You know what’s going on here. And he kept doing this. I think it was that that book kind of goes through her journey and I

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Jason Mefford: Can’t remember how many regressions.

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Jason Mefford: But

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Jason Mefford: To the point a lot

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Jason Mefford: Right. And to the point that you know they came together in this life. But in a lot of the regression. He was there too.

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Jason Mefford: So they had known each other. And again, the universe brought them back together in this life, you know, as well, because there were some things that they both needed to learn

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Jason Mefford: In some ways that he was able to help her release some of the we’ll just call it prior karma. I guess is probably the best way right because

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Jason Mefford: We have to as part of our growth and learning. We have to work through our karma as well. And some of that was from things we did or did not do in previous lives and it’s just part of our growth process as well as as as we’re coming through here. So,

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kathygruver: Yeah, you know, I, I’m going to just correct something in the book.

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kathygruver: Because I’ve read this thing so many times. He was a psychiatrist.

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kathygruver: I think it was Gail Gail tradable like really highly respected in the industry. Yeah.

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kathygruver: He didn’t believe in past lives he decided to try hypnosis to get her to root cause of

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kathygruver: Trauma was coming from. And so he said, go to the first time. Go to the first time go the first time. Go to the first time and suddenly he she ended up in another lifetime. And he kind of went, Wait, what the

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kathygruver: You know he didn’t actually realize he was doing it. He thought he was using a different technique did not set out to get her to a past life. He said, go back

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kathygruver: And she ended up in a completely different time a completely different place. Now for the people right off that are going to say she’s pro just making it up. I don’t care.

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kathygruver: I don’t care if you made up that you’re an Italian princess and that if it solves the problem. If you need to use that symbolism and that image.

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kathygruver: To get work down. I don’t care. I do something to called mythic and archetypal journeys, which is similar to past lives, except it’s more just pure fantasy,

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kathygruver: Is where the best healing tools I’ve ever used and people are just making stuff up. So it’s like I don’t if you don’t believe in past lives. It doesn’t matter. Past life regression is still incredibly effective

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kathygruver: So let me just throw out some my after studying with so much some of my beliefs around this, I believe we cycle back with the same basic group of people over and over again. I believe we do pick our parents, our time where we’re going to be what our gender is going to be

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kathygruver: To me past live lives and reincarnation explains things like that love at first sight feeling you meet someone just go, oh my God, I feel like I’ve known you forever. Okay, where’s that come from.

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kathygruver: That moment where you know you’re in dance class you look over, you go, oh,

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kathygruver: I don’t know her, but I just don’t like her. I don’t know why there’s just some feeling that, you know, anytime we have those kind of judgment THOSE SNAP assessments of people to me that could be could be a past life thing to me it perfectly explains homosexuality and transgender

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kathygruver: It explains some injury. Some ailments and injuries and long term, things like that. And I have seen some incredible things happen during reincarnation sessions in my office.

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kathygruver: Where pain goes away and relationships are strengthened and just that knowledge is gained and for me personally just cuz I’ve been doing it so long. I think it’s kind of fun. It’s fun to explore where you may have been before. Now, so

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kathygruver: Well, where I come from, with all that

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Jason Mefford: Yeah. And it’s interesting, you know, again, because with that right is one of the things that I’ve heard somebody say, too, is you either. Were you are or you will be

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Jason Mefford: In that term meaning that, you know, in order for us to really learn and grow and fully

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Jason Mefford: kind of learn this human experience. We have to have either gone through certain things before go through them now or go through them in the future.

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Jason Mefford: And so a lot of that stuff. Again, you know, genders, you know, again, from the from that book. And I’m guessing, from your experience. A lot of times people end up as a different gender or a different race or in a different time period.

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Jason Mefford: And and it’s

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Jason Mefford: You know, again, for me, helps to kind of explain some of the stuff to where, where, you know, like you said, you see somebody, and you’re like, oh, I don’t like them. Right. Well, good chance there was some negative thing that happened before. Right.

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Jason Mefford: And, and, you know, the same thing with that love at first sight, are some of the deja vu kind of experiences that we have, like, I’ve experienced this before. I’ve seen this before.

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Jason Mefford: And it but but also kind of sometimes the empathy that we can have her other people or maybe you know particular things that we just at our at our roots right in our, in our soul level.

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Jason Mefford: We just have strong opinions are strong empathy about because, you know, again, chances are, maybe

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Jason Mefford: You know, take something like, you know, gay, transgender transgender kind of stuff that may be again in a previous life you were

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Jason Mefford: Gay. Now you’re straight but you have this affinity and this protection, if you will, for gay rights. Well, that would make sense if you’d experience life that way before.

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kathygruver: Absolutely or something like you know you have been a man for 15 lifetimes and now you’re a woman that’s going to confuse the heck out of what’s going on.

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kathygruver: Or, you know, I have a very dear friend. She’s married to another woman, she never considered herself gay her girlfriend never considered herself gay they fell in love with each other and said, hey, I guess we’re doing this thing.

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kathygruver: We have no idea of

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kathygruver: F multiple lifetimes before this one was a man and one was a woman, and they had that heterosexual relationship. And now, happens to be in this lifetime. They reconnect and they’re both women.

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kathygruver: I don’t know, I can’t, I’m just tossing out theories. I’m not saying this is true, don’t want to offend anybody. It’s just another way to think about things and go

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kathygruver: Cook, though, that that would kind of make sense, you know, same thing. I have certain affinity with with locations. I mean, when I showed up in Rome.

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kathygruver: Oh my god, I mean, I knew it. It was it was someplace that I had always wanted to go. I felt such an affinity with that location.

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kathygruver: And I know people like that to like they cannot get enough of Paris. They want to be there all the time. It’s not just the bread and the great wine. It’s they have an affinity with that location. Same thing with Hollywood.

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kathygruver: old Hollywood to me. Huge connection with that the Titanic huge connection with that you’d mentioned Atlantis, everybody thinks they were in Atlanta, but you know a lot of us work. So yeah, so that’s, and I think we

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kathygruver: I think we traveled with the same basic pod of people

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kathygruver: And I the analogy I like to use for that is I don’t know if any of you have ever done summer stock theater. You’ve done that kind of like contract work where you come back every year and you do shows together.

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kathygruver: You know those core people you know that Joe’s gonna make a great leading man and Karen’s going to do lights and well it’s Bob can direct and

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kathygruver: You work well with that group of people, you get things done well. So if you’re traveling with that same core group of people

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kathygruver: You know how they work. You know, you’re going to be able to get the work done. You start throwing other people into that performance. You know, like, Wait, I don’t know what what

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kathygruver: So I think we travel with the same group of people. I think they play different roles. You know, sometimes your dad is your brother, and sometimes your wife is your sister. And you know, it’s like, but I i’ve seen that over and over again with people.

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kathygruver: When I do regressions.

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Jason Mefford: Well, so let’s so let’s let’s talk maybe a little bit about that too because, again, I mean this fascinates me.

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Jason Mefford: As well. But, but, you know, like you said to its, its people that are listening you know some of you are going to be like Kathy and me.

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Jason Mefford: And what you’re going to be like, yeah. This totally makes sense right there’s of you are going to be like, this is the biggest bullshit right you guys are off your rocker. Okay, fine. We might be

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Jason Mefford: All right, cool. But, but let’s talk about maybe a little bit too about the therapeutic side of this, because again, like you said, whether you believe it or not.

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Jason Mefford: It is effective as a form of therapy. You’ve seen it. Like I said, there’s, there’s plenty of books and other stuff that are out there.

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Jason Mefford: That talk about the benefits that people get from this and some of it is actually pretty amazing as well. Right, so

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Jason Mefford: You know, in some, something that you would have heard to say before is again you know whether your subconscious, you know, whether it’s real or not your subconscious believes it.

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Jason Mefford: And so, you know, there’s some efficacy to this as a healing tool as well. So, so maybe kind of talk a little bit that way to about, you know, some of the healings and other kinds of stuff like that that have actually come from these types of exercises that people going through

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kathygruver: Yeah, I mean I could talk I’ve read so many things about, you know, chronic pain going away and you know illnesses that have cleared up. I’ve seen it strengthen relationships, a lot. I had a client who

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kathygruver: Was always having conflict with her father.

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kathygruver: She was very rebellious. She was very open minded very free very and her dad is incredibly religious and so there was a constant conflict there.

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kathygruver: And when she had expressed that she wanted to step away from the church because she didn’t really believe those teachings and those tenants. He was incredibly upset as a religious parent would be

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kathygruver: We did a bunch of past life regression. And it looks like in a previous lifetime.

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kathygruver: They had a similar situation where they were in. I don’t remember the details. This was a while ago, but they were in some pretty strict religious group together. She was a male at that point. So she was the son, she stepped out of that group.

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kathygruver: Was reported to be a heretic, or whatever. The term was back in that day and she was killed and her father mourned for the rest of his life.

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kathygruver: And so I look at that and I go, Okay, well, here’s a very familiar situation to your father if he still remembers that feeling.

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kathygruver: He’s going to be completely freaking out that you’re leaving the church, not only because it breaks that chain of what he would like but he’s in fear for your safety.

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kathygruver: And so she looked at it from that perspective of what could he be thinking or feeling that is giving him these feelings such strong feelings towards me leaving the church.

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kathygruver: Is there a bit of fear there. Is there a bit of fear for my safety.

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kathygruver: She and he ended up sitting down, having a beautiful conversation about her soul in her heart, and why she wanted to go and why she felt so strongly about this.

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kathygruver: And they had just this great reassurance with each other, of love and safety and respect and like relationship CLEARLY SHE WAS NEVER been closer to her dad now. Did she make that up. I don’t care. I don’t care.

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Jason Mefford: A relationship. So yeah, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter as long as you’re getting the result.

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kathygruver: Right, exactly. Or, you know, a parent who has such over concern for certain child or is very helicopter. He was very, you know, was there an issue in a previous lifetime in that relationship where one left and never came back. Or there was

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kathygruver: A death or eight. I mean, we don’t know until we go back and kind of look at that and I have seen people’s illnesses clear up gives them a hint into

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kathygruver: Why, maybe they have asthma. Now, or why they have chronic headaches. Now, or, you know, some people believe if you’ve got birthmarks or moles or something like that. That’s a holdover from a previous lifetime, I don’t know, maybe

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kathygruver: Can be who was to say there was a really cool.

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kathygruver: Documentary that was done probably 10 or 12 years ago about children and past lives and how many kids would

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kathygruver: Either say to their mom, you are my sister last time.

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kathygruver: What because it seems to be up to the age of six or eight, they’re still tapped into those memories and then you know our critical thinking comes in and we’re like, it’s bullshit.

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kathygruver: And there was one young boy, this was such a famous case, there was a whole whole hour spent on this kid. He was obsessed with planes. He was obsessed with World War Two.

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kathygruver: He was drawing pictures of planes. He knew parts of planes. He knew mechanics of planes and his parents are sitting there going, we don’t have cable.

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Jason Mefford: Not watching the History Channel.

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kathygruver: We home school him.

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kathygruver: With me there was no way this could could notice stuff and he came up with a name. He came up with how he died, he came up with this location they started to do all this research, they called in

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kathygruver: Some of the tops in the field and reincarnation, and they did research on this kid and multiple regressions with him, they found out who he was previously and that this guy, his sister was still alive.

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kathygruver: They showed the kid a picture of this woman, and he called her sissy or whatever that man’s nickname would have been for a sister, and they ended up meeting and I thought, Oh my god, that’s so trippy because you have this little kid who’s

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kathygruver: Part of the past life is still alive.

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kathygruver: And so

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kathygruver: You know there’s there’s a lot of young children who were commenting on 911 who were commenting on what was the bombing in Chicago were like a preschool was, was that

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Jason Mefford: Was the Oklahoma City, you think

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kathygruver: Oklahoma City.

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kathygruver: Where kids now because they wouldn’t have, you know,

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kathygruver: In this lifetime. They weren’t alive. Back then making comments about all I remember, you know, falling out of this really tall building and planes coming. And it’s like, whoa, you’re talking about 911

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kathygruver: after not having exposure to that thing now. So, I mean, there’s plenty of

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kathygruver: Evidence and people who are going to doubt it still doubt it, which is totally fine. I respect that opinion on it, it’s sounds out there, even to me as I’m saying it, but you know there’s a lot of evidence of children who are remembering things or, you know, calling

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kathygruver: People by different names are saying that I knew you in a different way before so I look to that they’re not as corrupt as our minds, I can make up anything I want kids are a little more innocent with that.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and it’s interesting because it’s, it’s, you know, again, kind of what I was taught before. And again, kind of goes along with this is that when you’re born

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Jason Mefford: Right, we’re still very much connected with the universe. And it’s that you know what I was taught. They called it the veil of forgetfulness, kind of a thing. Right. Is that and again it’s somewhere between six and eight.

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Jason Mefford: That most of this happens that kids you know up and they’re very, very innocent. They have some of these different types of experiences you know they talked about grandma who’s been dead, you know, long before they were they were born or other stuff like that. Sometimes they’re more clairvoyant.

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Jason Mefford: They actually see other people, you know, as well. And then at some point we kind of forget or we’re in this world long enough.

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Jason Mefford: That we kind of sever some of those those ties to source to the universe that we had before. And then it’s like the rest of our lives trying to get back to being a child again.

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Jason Mefford: Would make fun of his art, you know, especially when he would come out with with new stuff right but i think he said something to this effect that you know the artist you know you need to try to become childlike again and get back to that place as a child.

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Jason Mefford: And and i think you know again when we do that a lot of this stuff can come through us. You know there’s there’s

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Jason Mefford: There’s a difference between the brain and there’s a difference and the mind is different than the brain and the more that we can tap into the mind and actually realize that we’re

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Jason Mefford: We’re here for a reason we’re connected to the different people around us for a reason. And if we can actually, you know, learn

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Jason Mefford: Grow serve the people around us and you know fulfill whatever karmic journey we’re on in this life, you know, then we prepare ourselves for whatever is to come next.

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kathygruver: One of the, one of the big push backs. I get is, when I say I believe we pick our families, I believe we pick our parents, I believe we pick the situation I

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kathygruver: feel strongly that when we leave this plane this body. We go to this in between place. If you’ve ever seen the movie. Defending Your Life with Meryl Streep, which is one of my favorite movies. Sorry. So we watched it recently, it’s very slow going

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kathygruver: And I can never remember the actor’s name, who’s with her, but it’s basically in that in between place where you review your life you decide whether you’re moving on, on, or whether you have to come back.

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kathygruver: And, you know, I’ve had so many people didn’t I wouldn’t have picked my parents, my dad’s an asshole. And I would have picked living in Botswana, because

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kathygruver: It’s like, well, but you know what you need. Moving forward, and then that in between place. You are a pure knowledge and pure awareness of this is what I need.

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kathygruver: To get me to that next thing and I earned my senior year of high school, I knew I was going to be a theater major. I didn’t need any more math. I didn’t need any more science. I took like debate psychology drama lunch.

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Jason Mefford: More lunch. Lunch.

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kathygruver: Lunch because I had nothing else I’d run out of classes I had

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kathygruver: I had taken every bloody class I could that I needed that was fun. Senior year for me was a piece of cake. And I had this friend named Kelly. She’s incredible

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kathygruver: I think she’s an attorney in DC. Now, so she busted her ass.

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kathygruver: And I remember I met my locker and I pull out you know my my play that I have to read for drama class and she has this shit ton stack of books.

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kathygruver: She’s taking like calc 32 and true. I mean, she’s taking all these hard classes and she’s walking down the hall with all these books. And I remember thinking,

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kathygruver: That’s sucks. Why would you do that. That looks terrible. She knew that’s what she needed to move on to go to the school. She wanted to for the future that she was creating

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kathygruver: That to me is how we pick these lifetimes. We pick these families and these situations so that we can learn those next things that we know we need some people have a breeze lifetime that you’re just there to enjoy. We know these people.

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kathygruver: Seems like they’re struggling again and again and again. What are you not learning what skills do you need is an empathy is it grace is it

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kathygruver: You know, why are we picking the things that we’re picking. Why did we pick the things that we picked to me. That makes sense. And it to a certain extent explains suffering.

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kathygruver: And I had a client who lost a child, and she did believe in reincarnation. And I said, you know, one you’re going to see him again.

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kathygruver: And frankly, whether you believe in the heaven thing or the reincarnation thing you’re going to see them again.

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kathygruver: I said, you’re going to see them in another lifetime, probably in the future. They are going to look different. They’re gonna be in a different meat suit but it’s the same person. And let’s say

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kathygruver: So many people get offended by this. Let’s say we did choose the lifetime that we had, then that means this soul winning that body and chose to diet five

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kathygruver: And that is such a hard thing for parents to hear and the understanding that perhaps they did choose that to help you move forward to help themselves move forward to help if it becomes a choice and not a trend, not a catastrophe.

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kathygruver: It’s reframed in a different way. And, and I know there’s somebody. They’re so pissed at me for saying that because they probably lost a child. I’m not negating that the feeling of that.

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kathygruver: Can we reframe it. Have they did that, out of a higher good and a higher purpose.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and I’ll, I’ll actually share part of my, my personal story. I haven’t shared this with you.

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Jason Mefford: That kind of goes along with this because my, my mother lost two children.

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Jason Mefford: One when she was very young, little girl was only three years old. One of my sisters and she was my mom was only she would have only been like 19 or 20 because she got married, very early.

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Jason Mefford: So I’m sure very devastating to her right and then, you know, they go along, they have they have you know 455 kids at that point you know wanted passed away.

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Jason Mefford: And then there was an 11 year period where they just didn’t get pregnant and and the doctor told my mom, you know. Yeah, you’re not going to get pregnant and so she went in. She’s like,

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Jason Mefford: 11 years later, you know, I’ve got this flu and it just won’t go away and the doctor looks at her and it’s like, well, you’re pregnant and she’s like,

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Jason Mefford: You told me I couldn’t get pregnant.

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Jason Mefford: Whoops. And here came, Jason.

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Jason Mefford: Okay 11 years you know my next oldest sibling is 11 years older than me.

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Jason Mefford: And so effectively, you know, as far as I know, I would have been kind of an only child growing up with that because I know the spread right the first that I really

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Jason Mefford: Can remember when I’m four or five, you know, my sister was a junior or senior in high school, you know, kind of thing. And then they kind of moved on. Right.

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Jason Mefford: Well, two years later, I had a brother that was born younger brother to me. And so the two of us really kind of grew up.

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Jason Mefford: As siblings, almost like two families kind of thing. Right. And then when my brother was 13 freak accident, you cannot explain the based on what

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Jason Mefford: The circumstances on why the gun went off the gun should not have gone off and he died. Well, when he was 13 I was 15 and and I remember, you know, at that point, again, you know, from my mother. It was a here’s my second child. Now that’s gone right.

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Jason Mefford: And for me, there was all kinds of stuff kind of built up in there, but I remember one of my friends, we

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Jason Mefford: He took me out, you know, because everybody’s bawling in the house and I just had to get out. You know, I just couldn’t stand being in there with a bunch of emotional adults.

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Jason Mefford: And he said some things to me that

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Jason Mefford: Really kind of hit on what we’ve just been talking about and and the one thing was that my younger brother came here. So I would learn

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Jason Mefford: What it was like to have a brother.

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Jason Mefford: And not be an only child, and when he had done.

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Jason Mefford: What he was here to do. He left

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Jason Mefford: But it gave me that opportunity. It gave me the experiences that I needed to learn by having a younger brother.

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Jason Mefford: And it was time for him to move on.

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Jason Mefford: And, and, you know, again, when you when you hear some of those things you you can choose to believe what you want. Right.

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Jason Mefford: And there’s a lot of people that will be bitter and say, you know, how could God do this to me take my child or we can flip it around and we can actually see right the positive in it.

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Jason Mefford: And the fact how grateful I am

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Jason Mefford: That that little guy was my brother for 13 years in this world.

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Jason Mefford: You know, and I still I still think about it.

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Jason Mefford: From time to time and it’s it’s

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kathygruver: I didn’t know that.

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Jason Mefford: I haven’t shared that publicly, so everybody’s getting to know

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Jason Mefford: But it’s but it’s

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Jason Mefford: You know, again, kind of in with what we’ve been talking about right and there was a reason why he came in. I’m sure we had

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Jason Mefford: Interactions before. And we’re going to have interactions. Again, but that we all are here for a bigger purpose and I know you know most of you again. You, you feel like

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Jason Mefford: You’re here for some bigger purpose than just, you know, being in the rat race and going to work and working your 40 hours and coming home. And that’s because we do all have a bigger purpose here.

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Jason Mefford: And and the more that we can focus on that and try to figure out what is that, what am I supposed to do, how am I supposed to serve other people around me then.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, we learn we learn we grow and and get the things out of this life that we need to. Yeah.

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kathygruver: And it is. What is the lesson in this

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kathygruver: You know, what did I just learned from that experience and and when my husband I split up. Somebody said, oh my god. After 18 years. What a waste or something, some, you know, kind of tossed off of, oh, how tragic and they said no. The tragedy is if I didn’t learn and grow from that.

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kathygruver: That’s that’s the, that’s the failure is if you don’t get out of it, what you’re supposed to. If you don’t come out of these experiences better on the other side. That’s the tragedy.

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kathygruver: Everything to me is a growing and learning experience. Sometimes it sucks.

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Jason Mefford: I didn’t want to lose my mom at 18

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kathygruver: That was not a pleasant experience for me.

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kathygruver: But it’s shaped who I am now. And had I not had that family and that parent and that I would be a completely different person.

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kathygruver: You know and i think i think all that was set up ahead of time. I really do.

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Jason Mefford: All right.

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kathygruver: Here we go.

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kathygruver: So let me. Um, we’re, we’re about to wrap. But how the past life session works.

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kathygruver: Just real quick, so they tend to be longer sessions I allow two hours because you want to explore this is one of those hypnosis sessions where I have the person in the chair talking back to me.

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kathygruver: So you want to get as deep as you can. And one of the things we program and for any of you who have seen any of our other episodes with the myriad hypnotherapist on

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kathygruver: We kind of know how this is done. There’s an induction you deep and deep and deep and deepen

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kathygruver: And one of the things I program with the hypnosis with the past life regression is as you speak it just takes you deeper because when you start to talk you can sometimes come out of state, a little bit.

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kathygruver: But you want to get in pretty deep. And then we can do it any number of ways. Do you want to know why you know so and so. Now, do you want to explore why you’re a teacher again. Do you want to explore

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kathygruver: A location. Do you want to go to the most recent one, you live. Do you want to go to the one that’s most important for you to learn from there’s ways different ways to program that

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kathygruver: When I started with Roger. Roger. He was amazing. He’s no longer with us, unfortunately.

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kathygruver: He would have us write down three places that we just can’t get enough of three places that we would just pay billions of dollars to go to and then three places that repulsed us

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kathygruver: Where you would you could get me to go there. I’m not from any like safety reason of. I’m not going to go to the middle of

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Jason Mefford: It just doesn’t. I didn’t. But just like

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kathygruver: That’s how I feel about certain Asian countries, I, I just don’t want to go. It just, it’s a turnoff to me.

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kathygruver: That was written down, and then he would have you picture a globe spinning and he put you above it and he would slowly lower slowly lower slowly lower and land somewhere on the globe, often in one of those six places that you wrote down

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kathygruver: And then you start with your feet and, you know, what are you wearing if anything. Are you male or female, find a reflective surface. What do you look like our people around you, are you inside. Are you outside

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kathygruver: Go to a place where there’s a lot of people do you recognize anybody from your life now.

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kathygruver: And I remember doing one where I was sitting in this dining room with

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kathygruver: In this life, my father, my husband. We had a servant, there were these huge like Florida ceiling two story windows that were shrubbery outside. It was fall I

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kathygruver: If I remember correctly, I was in like Virginia Washington DC kind of area. And I said, look around the table and

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kathygruver: I looked to my father, and it was my real father, which was interesting because I had never experienced a past life with him and I looked across the table to my husband. It was like chiropractor.

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kathygruver: I hadn’t talked about it wasn’t

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kathygruver: About them, but that was like, I remember. And I was like, whoa, that’s trippy. Okay. And I remember sitting weeks later, sending my chiropractor down and going. So, this happened.

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kathygruver: And we had a servant who was someone I didn’t know is sort of the extra in this little, little movie that we were doing. But so look around, see if there’s anybody you know, see what those relationships are and then you I take people to their happiest moment.

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kathygruver: Their sadness moment and then we do the moment of death and some people really want to feel it like when I do regression for myself, I have a guy that that works on me. I want to feel it. I want to feel the pain. I want to feel the not breathing. I want to feel that agony, because it

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kathygruver: For me personally, makes bigger change. You don’t have to do it that way, you could do second person where you’re sort of watching that happen from across the room. A lot of people like to do that.

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kathygruver: Or you could use third person where you put it up on a movie screen and you’re sitting back in the theater and you’re watching the whole thing unfold in front of you as if you’re watching a movie.

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kathygruver: I’ve never seen anyone do it that way to me. It’s not person for me personally, it’s not personal enough. I don’t get as much out of it.

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kathygruver: We take you past the moment of death. You see the body. What, what are you thinking as you die. What are those things. You feel like you didn’t resolve.

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kathygruver: Is there anything you want to say to people, and then I do what’s called Life between lives where I take you into that empty space and you can resolve things

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kathygruver: You can sit down with that guy you push down the stairs. You could sit down with the person who killed in the battle and say, I’m so sorry. I was just doing my job. I love and care for you and they talk back to you. It’s so beautiful. I love the life between lives saying

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kathygruver: There is actually a process called Life between lives, which is a very complicated thing I don’t go quite that far. But I do touch on those areas. And then you get to float beautiful piece for a while. It’s such a beautiful, I love doing these sessions. So I live about two hours.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and it’s one of those again where, you know, I’m guessing. I’ve never done one yet right yet but

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Jason Mefford: You know, from that, by, by going back and being able to re experience some things right, you know, and again, we’ve

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Jason Mefford: We’ve talked about sometimes, you know, people have a chronic pain somewhere in their body and they learn that will, this is how you died right you you have a thing for your neck. You don’t like to have anything around your

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Jason Mefford: Neck because maybe at some point you were

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Jason Mefford: strangled to death. You know, as an example, or, you know, for me, I, I have a fear of drowning.

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Jason Mefford: Well, probably one of the reasons why I have a fear of drowning. Is that might have been one of the ways that I died before I don’t know right but but this this whole idea to and because so many people were scared of death.

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Jason Mefford: And I think part of it in in seeing the death and experiencing a prayer death helps give you more.

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Jason Mefford: Hope in realization that this ain’t everything. And so there’s no reason to be scared for death, but also that

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Jason Mefford: At a time of death. And I think, like you said, right, you know, what was your happiest moment what to do what, you know, what did you, what did you need to learn from this or take forward. Is that it then allows us to either clear some of those things or realize

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Jason Mefford: That’s something I have to work on. And that’s one of the reasons why I’m here, doing whatever I’m doing

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Jason Mefford: As well.

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kathygruver: I had a client who he longtime client. He was probably one of my first clients and he has chronic headaches, like literally daily migrants.

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kathygruver: Horribly painful.

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kathygruver: He had pretty much exhausted everything else. And he, he’s a total skeptic and he’s like, all right.

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kathygruver: I don’t believe it. But let’s try this past life ship and I went, awesome. We did the regression, because he took so well to hypnosis.

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kathygruver: We had already done some pain management stuff. So he was used to

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kathygruver: Being in the hypnotic place. And we did some past life regression. And we went through. I think we did two sessions. I think we went through four lifetimes and every single death had to do with him hitting his head.

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kathygruver: One was a battle scene where he got in the back of the head from the butt of a

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kathygruver: Must get or something to that effect. One was his happiest moment of him. Surprising his wife and was walking down the stairs with a cake and he slipped me bashes head on the back of the

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kathygruver: Stairs, you just repeated things. But here’s what came out of that didn’t go away what came out of this is in every single lifetime. There was this one person.

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kathygruver: The guy who hit them on the back of the head. One of the friends of the birthday, who ended up the train him and away there’s this running theme of this same guy.

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Jason Mefford: Same person, it’s

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kathygruver: A person in this lifetime that he knows that screw him out of a multimillion dollar deal and is now suing them.

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kathygruver: And so what we ended up coming out of that with was

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kathygruver: Is there forgiveness that needs to happen, is there some reconciliation with this person that needs to happen is their self forgiveness that needs to happen is that, and so he ended up actually resolving this relationship with the person headaches didn’t go away.

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kathygruver: And something else. Good came out of it have this realization of wow, okay. This is a pattern. Now we need to resolve this.

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kathygruver: Again to be make all that up. I don’t care. This ended up helping him through an issue that he’s having right now and help resolve some stuff so

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kathygruver: You never know what you’re going to get out of it. I’ve had people come just because they want to know. They’re just curious. I’ve had a couple lifetimes, where

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kathygruver: It was like my dream like oh my god this is the perfect light up. I always want to do this one. Oh yeah, I’m there and it was shit. It was the most horrible job ever. And to me, it’s like, I wouldn’t have made that up. Like if I was gonna make up that story. It would have been

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kathygruver: Perfect You call it dream lifetime and it ended up being shit I wouldn’t have made that up.

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kathygruver: Just some experience. I mean, there’s I’ve had a couple where I’m like, I couldn’t have come up with that. I mean, it’s like there’s no way I was making that up. So, you know,

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kathygruver: Try it out. It’s fun.

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kathygruver: Her description necessary.

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kathygruver: A few hours of exploration of your own subconscious. Why would you not want to try that.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and I’m guessing to i mean it’s it’s one of those where when people come out.

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Jason Mefford: There’s a release. There’s a piece. There’s a, you know, every time you do this with somebody, and I’m sure I mean you get all excited talking about it because you’ve seen people and you’ve seen how it’s helped them so it’s

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Jason Mefford: You know, yeah, two hours. What do you got to lose and all kind of thing, right, you get to be relaxed for two hours. And you’re probably going to feel better.

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kathygruver: After that. And to your point about the next thing. It’s actually very common that people don’t want stuff around their neck and I had a client who she couldn’t wear a necklace you could like this shirt would be to talk too high for her.

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kathygruver: She just couldn’t stand that feeling. And we ended up doing a past life regression. She was choked out and died soon as we resolve that next time I saw her she was at a turtleneck. And she’s like, I could wear a shirt again. No.

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kathygruver: That’s, that’s, that’s a small thing and it’s still an illustration of what how powerful this worked with me.

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Yeah.

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Jason Mefford: Well, again, so I know we’re probably on time. This is one of our longer episodes. But hey,

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Jason Mefford: We love going here. So yeah, I mean, whatever, whatever you take from this you know again believers. Don’t believe us. We don’t care. We’re just here sharing our experiences with you.

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Jason Mefford: But you know, I hope that you got a few things out of this, which is it’s not your first rodeo. You are special. You’re here for a purpose. You know, so, so

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Jason Mefford: You know, how can you grow. What lesson can you learn how can you serve the people around you and just make this the best life that you can

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Jason Mefford: Right. And the best life for everybody else around you as well.

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Jason Mefford: If there’s things that you are curious about that, you know, again, maybe things like the the the neck thing or, you know, some of the chronic pain or some of the other things that you’re just like, I just want to know why.

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Jason Mefford: This is happening to me or why I keep getting in these patterns. This is one of the tools that can actually help you do it so

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kathygruver: It allows you to have patience and understanding and some empathy for others, knowing they’re doing the best they can with the tools they have

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Jason Mefford: Yeah.

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kathygruver: We’re all we’re all doing our best. Yeah.

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Jason Mefford: Love it. Okay.

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kathygruver: Well alright well

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kathygruver: This was a fabulous conversation. Thanks for for tuning in, everybody. I’m going to give a different website. This time, because if you want to do some past life regression, I can do that for you. It’s Healing Circle hypnotherapy calm.

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Jason Mefford: Healing Circle hypnotherapy calm. All right. Go out and yeah because I

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Jason Mefford: Haven’t done it yet, but we’re scheduling something here very soon for me to actually go through an experience that as well. So yeah, any final thoughts can

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kathygruver: Know, you know, just, I appreciate your listening as far. I know we thought we tossed out some ideas and some theories that maybe were

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kathygruver: You know, contrary to what you normally believe I appreciate you tuning in and listening and and doing that with an open mind and if you end up walking away from this going, I think it’s still bullshit. That’s awesome. I respect that to

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kathygruver: You know, we don’t all believe the same thing. We’ve all had different experiences. I just know from me doing this from the time I was

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kathygruver: Seems pretty damn real to me.

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kathygruver: It fits in with my philosophy of life. If it doesn’t fit in with your philosophy of life. That’s okay. But I appreciate you are listening with an open mind.

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Jason Mefford: Great. Well, with that, I guess it’s probably time for us to sign off a

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kathygruver: Time to sign off, how can people find you, Jason.

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Jason Mefford: They can find me at Jason method calm and so with that everybody go out, have a great week.

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Jason Mefford: And yeah, just know that you’re amazing and and we appreciate you listening to us and we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcasts. See ya. See ya.

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