Fire & Earth Podcast E77: The Magic of Surrendering to Be Yourself with Eric Sharp

In this #fireandearthpodcast episode we talk with Eric “Sharpo” Sharp. The discussion takes many twists and turns but here’s a little overview. Define your values and then your choices become easy. Better to have good people in your life than lots of people. Surrender to being yourself. Connecting with others so you don’t go through life alone. So much good stuff.

Eric has produced and performed in countless live events and stage shows all across the USA since 1989. He has co-starred in several primetime network television shows and appeared in quite a few commercials. Eric has also appeared in some big feature films. He has honed his live act over 25 years traveling all over the U.S. for audiences of all ages in venues large and small. Eric is a Magician Member of the Academy of Magical Arts at the Magic Castle in Hollywood.

Learn more at: http://sharpo.com/

Transcript

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Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast, I’m your co host Jason Medford

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Kathy Gruver: And I am Kathy gruver and we are thrilled to have another amazing guest. I have known. ERIC Okay. Jason just did the math that which is just horribly cruel.

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Jason Mefford: We’re not that old. Don’t even tell him right

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Kathy Gruver: What is

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Kathy Gruver: That what you said.

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Jason Mefford: 626 years

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Kathy Gruver: Oh my god. So I have known Eric sharp, sharp. Oh, for 26 years we did murder mystery together. We did plays together.

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Kathy Gruver: Can I say I performed. Your first wedding. I performed. Your first wedding.

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Eric Sharp: You performed it my second wedding Norris why

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Kathy Gruver: Right. Okay. Well, okay. Yeah. Maybe it was my first wedding. I don’t know.

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Kathy Gruver: We all have that. And that’s actually what kind of what we’re going to talk about. And now you’re a magician. You’re a Freemason, you’re I mean like I have watched you grow.

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Kathy Gruver: Into such a unique and phenomenal individual just a better version of who you were then. So it’s like, that’s kind of what we’re going to talk about is self actualization and evolution and all those things. And so, so thanks for being here.

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Eric Sharp: So good to have. Thank you both for having me on your podcast. It’s exciting.

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Eric Sharp: I don’t have a clean space like you both have to work in clutter mess. So I just put this. This is actually my wallpaper behind me and my actual home now, because it represents the fire, water, earth, and the

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Kathy Gruver: The other, the air. Yeah.

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Eric Sharp: There it is, yeah, I’m breathing. So I yeah so we before we started rolling and I thought we were rolling with this day I started talking about how

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Eric Sharp: For me, growing for you growth was different. Kathy because you’re already a very actualize person when I met you.

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Eric Sharp: Before you became a PhD elemental P, whatever the doctor thing was. You were already there. You just did you, you had not read your books yet, but it was all in your head.

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Eric Sharp: In here in my head was a jumbled jumbled mess. And so for me, it started with a place of knowing that

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Eric Sharp: I’m a little crazy and a bit of an artist and that’s okay. And to get into that place of self acceptance and when I got to that point surrendered to being me. Then I could grow, but the first half of the life was we had to start, we got to start over, back to for me.

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Eric Sharp: Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: Well, and that’s okay because then we have an intermission, we kind of regroup we reset the stage and then we come out. We do a whole different part of the show. So, that’s okay.

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Kathy Gruver: I love

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Jason Mefford: Our, our life doesn’t necessarily fit into two or three x either right i mean we can have as many as we want to we talked about stories on here before I is we can create the stories that we want. But I love what you said you know that surrendering to being me.

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Jason Mefford: Is I think really one of the first

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Jason Mefford: Steps and is probably one of the hardest steps. I mean, you use the word crazy I tell people that I’m crazy to, you know, because we’re all a little bit crazy.

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Eric Sharp: I’m glad you said it, because anyone who thinks they’re not crazy, he’s a lunatic.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and that that ties together. One of my favorite

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Jason Mefford: Philosophers, right, Billy. Billy Joel

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Jason Mefford: Said it

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Jason Mefford: Right, right. You’ve heard of him.

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Jason Mefford: You know. Because, because, because in that in the one song that he has, you know, you may be right. I may be crazy.

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Jason Mefford: Here comes, but it just may be a lunatic, you’re looking for.

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Jason Mefford: Right, right, that we’re all we’re all little crazy. We’re all a little different.

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Jason Mefford: And and probably one of the hardest things is for us to accept that into realize that people love us for our freak freakiness crazy. We are and everything else. And it’s okay.

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Eric Sharp: Well, you know,

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Eric Sharp: That’s awesome. And for me, during this pandemic thing where people are being category categorized into essential and non essential

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Eric Sharp: Well, my wife’s hero nurse. She’s out there in the ICU. She the charge nurse, she is a ROIC she is battling the world here. It’s all on her shoulders and there’s she’s super essential to the next level essential

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Eric Sharp: And suddenly I’m in a place where my BUSINESSES COME TO A dead halt and I’m going, well, how do I be essential, and I was making some videos and some art for myself.

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Eric Sharp: Trying to share it, and I wasn’t getting a lot of views for one of them. And I realized something really important that even if sometimes the work seems insignificant to other people.

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Eric Sharp: It’s significant to me, it matters to me. This is my journey. This is my life. And the more I

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Eric Sharp: surrender to it and give into it. The actually, that’s where, you know, that’s when you make good art.

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Eric Sharp: Or better or adore didn’t matter if it’s good or bad, it will might have judged my own stuff. If I keep judging me then I’ll never put anything out there.

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Eric Sharp: So the job of the artist is never to judge his own stuff. But just to do it. Let other people be the job. But I guess the point was it mattered to me and I never allowed it to matter to me before I was probably. Oh, well, if I’m not earning

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Eric Sharp: You know, and she was very liberating that there’s no choice to be earning right now because I can’t. Now I can just make my heart. Nora loves that, by the way.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: Well, we’ll have her on next week and we’ll discuss how

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Kathy Gruver: You’re talking, it’s great because you’re talking about the self acceptance in this evolution and how do we, you know, because we’ve all had a checkered past Jason, he was he was a perfect double

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Eric Sharp: You can see that just

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Kathy Gruver: Yes, that little cherub face so yeah

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Eric Sharp: I think it’s in the painting behind you with the sailboat, and they

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Kathy Gruver: Were like

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Eric Sharp: Well, I do like it very much.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, it’s actually one that I painted. So there’s a little bit of artist in me as well. There’s symbolic

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Jason Mefford: Nice stuff to it.

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Jason Mefford: Oh, yeah. So it’s a

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Kathy Gruver: Yes. Yeah, that’s like, how do we and we talked before we got on the air about accepting that past and, you know, looking back and not being embarrassed by it and how do you, how do you make that leap. How do you, how do we

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Kathy Gruver: Learn from everything we did rather than making it a burden.

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Eric Sharp: Well for me, I had to. I had to stop.

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Eric Sharp: Taking drugs and drinking alcohol. That was the first thing was to stop.

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Eric Sharp: Distancing myself from

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Eric Sharp: This place this reality so that I could I could experience it. I was just cutting myself off from that because the pain of being here, you know the pain of being a person

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Eric Sharp: Can sometimes be overwhelming. So, so I was stepping back from that and I was postponing life instead of going through it. And the only way out is through and you can only go halfway into the woods. I got a lot of these by the way just to

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Jason Mefford: Hit me up and I gotta write down those are very close

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Eric Sharp: Number 47 even broccoli fortune cookie say

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, you can’t. You have to go through yeah that’s that’s and you’re right, being a human, especially right now there’s so much fear with the pandemic and there’s

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Kathy Gruver: So much hesitancy and so much

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Kathy Gruver: You know i mean i i’m probably one of the strongest people I know and there’s been days that I’ve been terrified and had the shit scared out of me and lay in my boyfriend’s aren’t crying about

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Kathy Gruver: The fear of my business and what’s happening with my clients and you know I’m unemployed.

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Kathy Gruver: Not sure how I’m not essential, being that I’m helping people with their pain, but I’m also deemed non essential so I’m not allowed to be working right now to the tune of maybe losing my license. So if I would get caught working, which is

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Kathy Gruver: Like scary. It’s terrifying. You know, it’s like, I don’t want to be this underground thing but it’s like I also have clients and pain.

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Eric Sharp: Can I, can I say something

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Eric Sharp: Yeah, when I see people like you who are brave enough to share your fear and your discomfort and just be

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Eric Sharp: That to me is so inspiring because I have a problem with that.

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Eric Sharp: I have a problem with not just putting on the sharp. Oh, happy face and being the clown, you know, but when I see people who are strong enough to be vulnerable. There’s the irony. Right.

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Eric Sharp: You’re strong enough to stand vulnerable and naked for the world and say this is who I am.

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Eric Sharp: You know, I said this to Hannibal, the other day, or mutual friend magician. He’s an artist who lays it all out there. He’s always so always free to be that no matter what, to me, that is the essence of getting through scary moments. Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, and as a performer and, you know, to a certain extent, all three of us are performers, you know, Jason.

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Kathy Gruver: Is also a motivational speaker. He runs courses you know it’s sometimes hard to forget.

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Kathy Gruver: That we can let that mask down. We’ve done shows about masks and covering up emotions and vulnerabilities. It’s sometimes so hard to let that mask down and the times that I have been

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Kathy Gruver: very vulnerable on Facebook, where my daily pause has been me in tears talking about something that scares me.

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Kathy Gruver: That’s when I get the most input of thank you because I feel that same thing and it’s nice to know I’m not alone. And, you know,

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Kathy Gruver: I mean, we can certainly go to the opposite end of that which is the constant me so it’s about finding that balance and being vulnerable and not being a needy, you know, insane person.

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Eric Sharp: Party.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: But it is about. It is about being bought because we all have moments of sadness and depression and fear.

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Kathy Gruver: And it’s about finding that balance in that

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Jason Mefford: Well, it’s interesting too because both of you are actors, you know, as well. I mean, yeah, we’re all kind of performers. But, but especially you know as you’re acting out a role.

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Jason Mefford: And and you can see this. I mean, Eric, you know, again, you’re vulnerable on here talking about, you know, having to get past the drugs and alcohol.

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Jason Mefford: And you can see, I mean, especially in that profession where you’re, you’re always kind of playing somebody else and you guys, I’m sure know people in the industry. Right.

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Jason Mefford: I mean some some some of the people, you know, again, you show up, you get into that role. You are that role. And sometimes it’s easy for people to forget who the real Jason is

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Eric Sharp: That’s it.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, because you are that role that you’re playing. I mean, some of the best actors you know that we’ve talked about. They like consume themselves with being that person, they actually stay in character, even when they’re not on set.

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Eric Sharp: Right.

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Jason Mefford: You know and do things like that. And it’s sometimes, you know, a lot of times people turn to, you know, drugs, alcohol gambling what whatever the addictive behavior may happen to be

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Jason Mefford: To try to escape remembering or being us but like you said, you know, until, until we surrender and and let our freakiness out and be okay with an accepted.

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Eric Sharp: Yeah.

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Jason Mefford: We’re, we’re never really living life.

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Eric Sharp: As a sacred say it has been 16 plus years clean and sober for me, so it’s it’s a it’s a journey and losses, but it is 5919 days today.

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Kathy Gruver: So. Wow, that’s awesome.

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Eric Sharp: Well, it’s important for me because

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Eric Sharp: You know, I don’t want to miss watching my children grow up and and I think that’s the number one motivator for me is, is I like who I have a values.

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Eric Sharp: I think what happens is when you are able to define your values, what you value in this world. Once you really understand your values, there’s no choices and choices become very easy.

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Eric Sharp: Do I want this or do I want this. And when I realized one is in accordance with your values. That’s the one you choose.

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Eric Sharp: When it when behaviors and activities are going against what you really, really have defined is things you value in this life. That’s, that’s when you make the bad decisions and or whatever. I was, I forget. I’m old and Alzheimer’s.

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Eric Sharp: Anyway point is once you define the values like it becomes very easy. Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: And we actually did an entire episode on values where we actually went through the value cards. I’m about to do a coaching session where I’m specifically dealing with this gentleman today with values.

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Kathy Gruver: I completely agree with you. If you don’t know what you want, then you can’t know who you are, to get that thing.

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Kathy Gruver: And you know, we talked about this all the time. And this is why I love talking to different guests, because we so often cycle back to things that we’ve already talked about Jason and it’s just it’s looked at from a different perspective, it’s looked at from a different way.

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Kathy Gruver: Do you feel like Eric that your progression to who you are now was a conglomeration of things, or was there one moment where you went off. Fuck, I need to make some changes.

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Eric Sharp: Well, I think.

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Eric Sharp: I think they call that hitting bottom

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Eric Sharp: Yeah. You know, I think that you you get to a point where the pain of not changing is bigger than the fear of changing. And that’s this this crossroads. You hit the crux of the problem is when the pain is too big. And you have to change, you know, and then

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Eric Sharp: You know, for me, I really, you know, I really was was just so lucky. I’ve been given a whole new life. I still have my health.

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Eric Sharp: I want to tempt fate. But today I’m healthy. And I have a beautiful family, a wife and children that are growing up in a in a happy and

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Eric Sharp: I have a house I you know all the thing when I when I hit bottom I had nothing I had nothing. I was this close to living in my car and some people their bottom is lower than that they live in the car.

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Eric Sharp: And then they live without a car. They live in a cardboard box under a bridge or they don’t live at all. Yeah. And for me, I was so lucky. And then I grew and cleaned up my act and

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Eric Sharp: I got into running my own business. And then I, you know, made sure I cleaned up any wreckage I left in my past.

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Eric Sharp: And you know, it’s very lucky. I wish I was never arrested and never got in trouble with the law. So, and nothing that I had done in my past that precluded me from joining my fraternity.

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Eric Sharp: Because there’s very strict rules in the Masonic family, which I’m part of do not allow

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Eric Sharp: You know, convicted felons are people who have committed crimes, you know, to, to join a they want to make sure that they have a good caliber person. So I was, I was very fortunate to be able to to

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Eric Sharp: To have not made such a wreckage of my past that I couldn’t go forward and then I I joined a fraternity.

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Eric Sharp: I became the master my lodge and went on to other Concord and bodies and I’m a Shriner so I helped with the Shriners Children’s Hospital.

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Eric Sharp: So, you know, I don’t want to make it sound like I was living in a dumpster or, you know, taking heroin or anything. I was never it that, but I had a very

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Eric Sharp: Very low tolerance for pain compared to some people.

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Kathy Gruver: You had a high bottom

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Eric Sharp: My new character, his name is Joe shovel hi bottom. Yeah.

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Jason Mefford: So maybe let’s talk at you know about

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Jason Mefford: You know the Fraternal Order. Because like you said you know you do. Got it into into masonry.

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Jason Mefford: And, and, you know,

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Jason Mefford: Those, those kind of organizations, they’ve kind of died down from what they were, you know, back in the day, right, like my grandparents were eagles or

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Jason Mefford: Alex, they were in the outs on the

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Jason Mefford: In the end, there’s, there’s this whole sense of community and well being and helping each other as well. So maybe you know kind of talk a little bit about that and how did

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Jason Mefford: You know, again, when you kind of hit your higher bottom, you know. Was that one of those things that, that again kind of helped you come out of it and express yourself and become more who you are as well.

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Eric Sharp: Yeah. Well, thank you for that, when I when I hit the high bottom I was, I had made some big mistakes in the world of Hollywood.

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Eric Sharp: And the opportunities had dried up. I had worked a bit in the 90s and TV and movies and suddenly I found myself without many prospects in Hollywood kind of turned around. Since then, I mean, just you know you want hot and cold in that business. But I think having

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Eric Sharp: Forced to run my own business and stress of the family. And once I got

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Eric Sharp: Once I went into, well I joined a fraternity after being hired by the Scottish Rite and Pasadena to perform for them.

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Jason Mefford: Okay.

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Eric Sharp: They do a show for their, you know, one of their fundraisers for my mystery show

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Eric Sharp: And I said what these are really cool people. This is a lot of fun. They’re having a blast. This is fellowship, this is really what I’m looking for. So I petitioned and I joined my Masonic Lodge.

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Eric Sharp: And I found a place of true friendship and true brotherhood and sisterhood to because my Lodge is very family friendly and the wives and my children have run around that lodge room for

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Eric Sharp: The last 14 years you know as they grow up and or not, that while I’ve been amazing 10 years or more. So for 10 years they’ve been running wild in that lodge room.

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Eric Sharp: And in the dining room and the there’s just a life is better with friends, life is better with fellowship, life is so much richer when you

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Eric Sharp: And these guys have showed me an example of how to be a man and how to be a better person, you know the the

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Eric Sharp: The grand secretary of the California Masons in the state of California. I said, What is the best definition of Freemasonry for the people who don’t know what it is.

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Eric Sharp: And I love his definition better than any others. It’s a place where I go to make great friends improve myself and have an impact on my community.

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Eric Sharp: Three things and it’s so true. And it is it is never failed me and it has just been a cornerstone of my existence. So, and yeah, it has died down back you know 60 years ago.

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Eric Sharp: Half of the men in the United States were in a fraternity and Howard Cunningham, with his leopard fence and

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Eric Sharp: And with his raccoon who and everybody was, you know,

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Eric Sharp: I actually had created a fictional one for one of my murder mystery shows called loopy the loyal order of protective yaks

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Kathy Gruver: Nice.

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Jason Mefford: Movie. Yes.

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Kathy Gruver: What we have to protect our Yaks. I mean, let’s be honest. Yeah, no, I

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Kathy Gruver: I have always been fascinated by the Masons my family goes way back through the Knights of Malta.

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Kathy Gruver: And the Masons. And there’s pictures of like my great great grandfather with his little Mason pin on and you know I’ve got a bunch of metals that were my grandfather’s and I, I’ve always been

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Kathy Gruver: Even as a kid, because it had this like

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Kathy Gruver: Mysterious sort of magical underground thing to it, which is what appealed to me. But it’s like Jean Houston is one of my favorite platinum and what to call her philosophers writers spiritualists

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Kathy Gruver: And she was actually brought into Washington DC ages ago to help deal with the gang talking about gang issues.

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Kathy Gruver: And why boys specifically at a certain age glom on to other boys and take the wrong path.

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Kathy Gruver: And one of the things that she realized and looking through history and looking through our society now is

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Kathy Gruver: We don’t have these coming of age things we don’t have these rituals outside of the Jewish faith, where you have a Bar Mitzvah.

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Kathy Gruver: And now it doesn’t even really say okay, now you’re mad at give you responsibility to you seem to have a big party, you get a bunch of money and you move on.

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Kathy Gruver: But we don’t have that ritual. We don’t have that community. Now you’re a man, these are your responsibilities, you’re not taught how to do that.

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Kathy Gruver: Bringing back this sort of order, where you have older men, or at least peers to walk you through what it means to function in the society as a man or a woman.

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Kathy Gruver: What it means to fit into that community and have that role. Is that what this does for you. I mean, I would say yes, but I’m not in it so

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Eric Sharp: 100% yes this is a situation of mentorship in the picture of the the hand up and hand down one hand is pulling you up in the next in the next one up.

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Eric Sharp: So that we’re we’re looking out for each other. And we’re mentoring each other through life and it’s a combination of learning to be introspective

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Eric Sharp: And see things in a different way and then to apply those values into life. So, you know, we talked about the working tools of a Mason, you know,

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Jason Mefford: When I think, you know, again, Kathy, like you said, I mean that because because I’ve seen this. I can’t remember where I was in Winnipeg, Canada, actually.

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Jason Mefford: In and there was, I think it was the Shriners convention that was going on, but they were, you know, in talking to some of the guys you know that were there.

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Jason Mefford: One of their concerns was in how enrollment had gone down and they were

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Jason Mefford: You know, that was one of the parts of this conference was trying to discuss, you know, how, how do we bring new people in to this because

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Jason Mefford: They’ve been kind of dying off a little bit. And I think, you know, as we’re talking here again. I mean, a sense of community is so important for all of us as humans.

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Jason Mefford: Right, whether, whether it’s in the, you know, in a familial

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Jason Mefford: Setting a fraternal setting, you know, some some sort of thing we all long for community and for belonging, and especially now you know with with us all moving all over the world, you know, separated from our from our families, you know, more so than we were 100 years ago.

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Jason Mefford: You know now literally social isolation.

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Jason Mefford: In some of the stuff that we’re going through

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Jason Mefford: It. And I think as humans we we need that we want that but but we’re not taking as much advantage of it as we probably could.

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Eric Sharp: You know the

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Eric Sharp: The idea though of dying out is not a worry for me because like anything else. This waxes.

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Jason Mefford: And wanes

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Eric Sharp: It comes and little waves it tide goes into the tide goes out and it’s it’s better to have good people than lots of people

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Eric Sharp: You know, and the other is as some of the numbers may be low at the moment in traditional Freemasonry. There are leagues of women Freemasons that are growing that are in co Masons. So it’s not the traditional

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Eric Sharp: You know, Grand Lodge, you know, which has been a brotherhood of fraternity and male place for men. And now, you know, one of the reasons the Elks became popular was because it’s coed

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Eric Sharp: Yeah, so, and they can drink in Lodge, they have bars in the lodge and Mason’s. We don’t do that.

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Eric Sharp: You know, in California. Anyway, we’re, you know, we’re square

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Eric Sharp: Is where squares. We don’t. So we were that were held to a very strict moral code and cremation.

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Eric Sharp: In some of the other clubs, you know, and so, okay, you know, in fact, the Elks were started by a couple of Masons.

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Eric Sharp: Who wanted to drink in lodge and they couldn’t do it the Masonic Lodge, as well, what if we created a second. We’re going to, they were actually actors in New York City and

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Eric Sharp: The liquor laws in New York City wouldn’t let them drink on Sundays. They said, well, if we have a private club. We can get

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Eric Sharp: The rotary was started by a couple of Mason’s

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Eric Sharp: Yeah. Rotary Club because they in May. So you’re not supposed to

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Eric Sharp: Have mercenary motives of trying to better your, you know, to try and get business contacts. We don’t want that kind of thing going on where people feel like they’re being exploited or used or manipulated. So, so the rotary was like, Yeah, but why couldn’t we have

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Eric Sharp: A couple non days and form the rotary. It was all based though all of these fraternities were all based on the original Masonic order the way

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Eric Sharp: To hold a meeting, the way that you have the, you know, people behave like like civilized, gentlemen, gentlemen. Ladies, rather than barbarism, you know, and, and it really

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Eric Sharp: So the Masons is the oldest and the largest fraternity in the world going back, you know, for 300 years of organized Freemason,

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Kathy Gruver: Like I said, I’ve always been obsessed with it. Because when I found those metals. When I started seeing these old photos I we can I was, and this was before the entire web. So I COULDN’T GOOGLE.

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Kathy Gruver: So I had these metals with Latin written on. And I’m like, I don’t know what this is me. And so I created this entire tale about this mysterious thing that. Oh, yeah. Oh, very cool.

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Eric Sharp: This is by my past masters.

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Eric Sharp: From my Masonic whether this was a gift from the brethren.

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Eric Sharp: Yeah, so, and you know we like our pins that we like our rings and we like our coach Roman but some people might get the idea that it’s a shallow thing.

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Eric Sharp: But most people have a pen or ring. It’s usually has a story behind it. Yeah.

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Eric Sharp: It was a gift from someone who mattered, or it was an exchange of ideas and you’re at an event and you met someone and they gave you the lodge pin from their lives and this is communication.

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Eric Sharp: The meeting of the hearts and the minds so and I say to anyone. What ever you path you choose in life, whether it’s

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Eric Sharp: A club or a organization, you know, a church fellowship whatever gets you connecting to so that you’re not going through life alone, you know, and

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Eric Sharp: And then it comes back to what you do with the empowerment group Kathy and and how you sharing and see what you what’s going on in here and you get a voice it out loud. You, you, you just open and you realize that there are very few barriers between souls.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah.

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Eric Sharp: You know,

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Kathy Gruver: I love it. And what a beautiful place to end because once again we blown through our half an hour.

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Eric Sharp: Every

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Kathy Gruver: Night about

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Eric Sharp: This is great. We wanted you to sit silently, we wouldn’t have had you on

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Kathy Gruver: That silent guest is boring. Any final thoughts. Jason I, this was a fabulous conversation. I’m so glad

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Jason Mefford: Well, no, I think, I think it’s great. You know, and again, Eric, I mean, thanks for coming on and sharing because, you know, like you said, it’s

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Jason Mefford: We all go through this life we all make mistakes. We’re all human and and the. But the more we can have this connection and community with other people.

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Jason Mefford: Like you said, regardless of what it is we all need something if it’s church if it’s a Fraternal Order. If it’s a Facebook group. If it’s a, whatever it happens to be.

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Jason Mefford: We all need that human connection, we need to, like you said, you know, somebody’s pulling us up and we’re pulling somebody else up and we’ve got to realize how interconnected. We all are. If we’re gonna

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Jason Mefford: You know, make this world a better place and help everyone. So, you know, I, I, I, for one, really appreciate it and even even things, you know, like the rings and the other stuff. Hey, those go back to tokens and they’re

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Jason Mefford: They’re reminders of things you know we’ve talked about that in with habits and everything else, too. It’s, it’s, it’s a great way of reminding ourselves of

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Jason Mefford: You know who we really are and who we really need to be. And I’m just really grateful that you’ve you’ve found that and you’ve moved and developed and grown in your life and were courageous enough to come on and actually share with us to

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Eric Sharp: Well, you got to find it every day.

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Jason Mefford: Otherwise you

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Eric Sharp: You put a cloud between what you found and you lose it again.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah. Beautiful.

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Kathy Gruver: So of course. So where can people find you, because I know you’re doing magic. Now, you’re still performing and entertaining and what’s the best site for

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Eric Sharp: You well sharp. Oh, calm sh. A RP oh sharp. Oh.

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Kathy Gruver: Cool. I’m Kathy group or I can be reached a Kathy Gruber calm.

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm, so go out, find some community people, you know that. There we go.

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Eric Sharp: Live long

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Jason Mefford: Live long and prosper and we’ll catch you on a future episode.

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Jason Mefford: Of the fire and earth podcast. See ya.