Fire & Earth Podcast E66: Sensory Visualization

In this #fireandearthpodcast episode we dig into how using more of our senses when visualizing can make all the difference. Many people have some difficulty visualizing … i.e. closing your eyes but just seeing blackness. Instead of just trying to visualize pictures, image what it would feel like, smell like, and sound like to help activate more of your senses.

Get ready to complete an exercise during the podcast to help you in identifying without judgement to aid in your mindful practices and make it easier to visualize.

The Fire and Earth Podcast gives you practical advice and keys to unlocking your potential in life and business, hosted by Dr. Kathy Gruver and Jason Mefford. Real, raw and unscripted.

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TRANSCRIPT

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Kathy Gruver: Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast, I’m your co host Kathy gruver

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason Medford Hey everybody. Today, let me just kind of give you a little background on what we kind of wanted to talk about

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Jason Mefford: Because you know some of these episodes are honestly is things that we’re learning in our own life, or maybe things that were struggling with as well.

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Jason Mefford: And so we want to bring that and share that with you too. That’s part of the reason why we are doing this right.

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Jason Mefford: Now we’ve talked a lot about, you know, things like visualization, you know, as, as part of helping you to manifest, but

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Jason Mefford: One thing that, you know, especially the last few weeks. I mean, I start noticing when i when i see things or hear things 234 times, that’s a synchronous stick type of thing that I need to listen to

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Jason Mefford: And so, you know, one of one of these things that I’ve been learning more and since Kathy’s really kind of an expert on some of this stuff to we’re going to, we’re going to delve in a little bit deeper on this, but it’s

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Jason Mefford: It’s increasing your kind of sensory aspect to some of the manifestation and visualization

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Jason Mefford: Right and Kathy. I know you’ve you’ve helped lots of people with this. I’m guessing there’s other people like me that have are more literal left brain kind of people and so as we’re sitting here trying to visualize. Again, I don’t see the clear pictures more

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Jason Mefford: Like you do right so

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Jason Mefford: I’m, I’m still trying to somewhat imagine it in my mind, but I, but I have difficulty sometimes just trying to think about just the picture right like I’m watching a movie or something like that.

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Jason Mefford: And like I said, I’ve heard things from a couple of different people and in some of the like self hypnosis kind of stuff that I’ve gone through bringing more senses into it.

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Jason Mefford: And it’s just really, it’s made a difference for me. And so wanted to talk a little bit about that. And then I think we said we might actually do a little exercise on this to try to help people with that so

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, no, that’s, that’s such a good point. And when I teach meditation. I’ve had so inevitably there’s one every other conference. So that goes

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Kathy Gruver: Like can’t sit still. Okay. We don’t have to sit still, you can do a walking meditation you can do in, bring your body into it. And because I’m a visual kinesthetic

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Kathy Gruver: I love the feeling aspect of that. So there are times during hypnosis session where I might have somebody, you know, I’ll say, you know, reach out

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Kathy Gruver: And open that door and I will actually have them reach out with her hand and turn the knob or there’s a an exercise in hypnosis called the great room.

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Kathy Gruver: Where you’re sitting in a room and it’s surrounded by post it notes or pieces of paper and you know they are things that you want to get rid of. And I will sit there with a tablet of paper.

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Kathy Gruver: Killed a lot of trees doing this but sit there with a tablet of paper and say don’t tear it off and I’ll have them character piece of paper and crumple it and throw it. And, you know, so by the end of the session. There’s paper all over my office so

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Jason Mefford: You’ll actually have them physically do

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Kathy Gruver: Oh, yes. Okay. Because yeah, that was yeah that that grade that gray room that you’re talking about, that was

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Jason Mefford: Actually, one that I went through. In fact, it was yesterday.

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Jason Mefford: That the person actually, you know, walked through the meditation of, you know, you’re kind of it, you’re in this round gray room with a dome ceiling. It’s gray. You know, he did it where it was white and red pieces of

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Jason Mefford: Paper on the wall and so

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Jason Mefford: You know, you try to envision that it’s, you know, I kind of did it more like post it notes.

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Kathy Gruver: Because that’s

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Kathy Gruver: Not what I want to know to a picture, but yeah.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, so, you know, something that you you physically see yourself go up, grab those red pieces of paper and crumpled up. So you’re actually having people physically do some of that stuff to

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Jason Mefford: during the session. Interesting. Okay.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, because since the brain doesn’t recognize what we’re thinking about and imagining

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Kathy Gruver: And what’s actually happening you you visualizing stuff happening in your body, or you you know that’s why when we watch movies, we can get so into them because we forget that we’re not actually helping Tom Cruise get the bad guy as

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Kathy Gruver: We wake up in the dream. And we’re like,

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Kathy Gruver: Having sex with my neighbor, you know, because we, our brains, like we did that thing. I actually had a client sit down with me. This was several years ago and he was so upset.

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Kathy Gruver: I thought, Oh my God, what is he about to tell me what did he, he’s like I did something so horrible. I’m like, Okay, what did you do, and he goes, I dropped on had sex with my neighbor’s wife and I think I should tell him, and I’m like, I think you shouldn’t I

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Jason Mefford: Think that’s not going to go to place

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Kathy Gruver: No, that’s not going to go well. But he felt so guilty.

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Kathy Gruver: But his brain thought it actually happened. You know, so our brains are amazing in that way. So actually having somebody do that action, you know, signing that contract over and over again.

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Kathy Gruver: Right. This is why we like writing things down. That’s the kinesthetic aspect of it and again

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Kathy Gruver: Because in fact other episodes. When we write something cursive that loopy stuff. We’re not taught anymore, it goes straight to the subconscious. There’s a connection between the brain and the hand and that writing

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Kathy Gruver: That helps us get stuff done. It’s kinesthetic, and if you go way back in history got sympathetic magic where the tribes, people would actually dress in like deer skins and horns and they would reenact the hunt.

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Kathy Gruver: basically telling the gods, what they wanted. Well, now we know there’s no gods course, actually we don’t know that there could be gods Zeus sitting up there going, haha.

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Kathy Gruver: That they did the sympathetic magic to kind of let the universe know hey this is what we want.

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Kathy Gruver: It actually kind of works because our brains move towards things that we know things that we’re familiar with. So reenacting that thing we want. That’s good. Please over and over again. Our brains are going to be more apt to get us in the position for that thing.

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Kathy Gruver: That was my spiel on that.

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Jason Mefford: Well, this is one of those episodes, too. Right. So everybody that’s watching, not just listening, you’re going to keep seeing my head go down because I’m writing a ton of notes because I’m learning a bunch from this too, so

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Jason Mefford: You know, again, just like Kathy said that, I mean, here’s another thing too is you don’t have to just listen to the podcast. Actually, if you if you

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Jason Mefford: You know, are in a place where you can sit down, take a few notes on this, it’s going to help you remember and incorporate some of this stuff into your subconscious ease here. Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: Absolutely. Okay. And our brains. Also, and this is the exercise to do an exercise.

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Jason Mefford: Let’s do an exercise.

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Kathy Gruver: So I don’t remember where I heard about this exercise I might have made it up. I don’t know. I don’t remember, but when I went on the when I did my retreat in the Dominican Republic.

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Kathy Gruver: I brought this bag of random objects. And I remember just like walking around my house just grabbing random things. My husband going, what are you doing

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Kathy Gruver: Because it was just random like a golf ball and a

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Kathy Gruver: figurine and a piece of have a pen, and he’s like,

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Kathy Gruver: And I sit for an exercise. So our brains strive to identify things so it needs to label things it labels things good and bad it labels things, you know, scary not scary. It is what our brain does

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Kathy Gruver: And so in mindfulness practices. We don’t want that judgment. We don’t want to label that stuff. There’s just stuff this decides whether it’s good or bad.

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Kathy Gruver: So Jason get a year something within arm’s reach and

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Jason Mefford: I knew. Yeah, so

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Kathy Gruver: Okay, I don’t want to say what it is. Okay, so close your eyes and just hold it in your hand. Okay.

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Kathy Gruver: And I don’t want you to identify what it is.

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Kathy Gruver: Now you know what it is because you picked it up. Normally I would have everyone, close your eyes and just plop something in their hand. So if you’re sitting at home right now. Please don’t do this if you’re driving

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Kathy Gruver: But if you’re at home. Have someone around you put something in your hand, that you don’t know what it is, or just randomly grab something off your desk out of your purse out of your bag and just feel that thing and feel the texture of it.

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Kathy Gruver: Is it smooth, is it rough. Is there a shape to it.

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Kathy Gruver: Kind of roll around in your hands and see what it feels like. And then notice what the way it is. Is it heavy, is it light.

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Kathy Gruver: And see if you can just experience this thing without having to identify what it is, without having to think, Oh, I have a golf ball just be with that object and then kind of rub it on the back of your other hand and how does that feel as that rough. Is it smooth.

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Kathy Gruver: Does it smell like anything.

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Kathy Gruver: Mine doesn’t

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Kathy Gruver: shake it around. Does it make noise tablet on the table with it sound like

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Kathy Gruver: Now here’s the challenge. I want to open your eyes and look at it without identifying it just notice

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Kathy Gruver: What the shadows are what the color is

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Kathy Gruver: Can you see what the texture is just by looking at it.

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Kathy Gruver: Now, we would normally do that for much, much longer. But that’s sort of the exercise is just being with this object without having to identify it without having to judge what it is.

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Kathy Gruver: And it’s really tough because your brain wants to be like, I wonder what this is, because that’s an exercise to someone hands you something and you try to figure out what it is about looking

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Kathy Gruver: The ladies that I was on the retreat with they loved this exercise we did this three times because they found it so challenging and so interesting to try to just experience something without having to judge it without having to name it. So how did you find that Jason

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Jason Mefford: What was interesting because it was, I guess. Sure we do the reveal of what it actually

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah. What are you

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Jason Mefford: I i’m actually holding. It’s a little. It’s a crystal.

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Kathy Gruver: Oh yeah, that’s perfect.

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Kathy Gruver: Like a quartz.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, it’s a, it’s like a pink court so

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah.

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Jason Mefford: You know, it’s, you know, again, I mean, some of the words. Maybe they were kind of going through my head. It is heavier,

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Jason Mefford: Because it’s it’s it’s pretty good size. I mean, it covers most of most of my palm.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, right.

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Jason Mefford: It’s cold.

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Jason Mefford: Right. So even though you know again. I mean, you know, things like rocks, you know, they pick up the heat and everything else. I’m sure if I if I sat here and held it for a long time.

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Jason Mefford: That would get warmer, but it’s it’s cool to the touch, compared with my skin.

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Kathy Gruver: You know,

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Jason Mefford: Being a human at 98.6 it’s it’s it’s four sided

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Jason Mefford: Right, but it’s not

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Jason Mefford: Because it’s kind of like, you know, it’s got a flat 123 sides right

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Jason Mefford: And sharp because the the the edges of it are actually sharp, because it’s not a Polish stone. It’s just, you know, it’s rough

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Jason Mefford: You know, and what you can actually, I guess now as I’m as I’m feeling it, but not looking at it. I didn’t notice before until I looked at it, too. But it’s got a bunch of cracks in it.

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Jason Mefford: Right. Because, because, you know, courts like this usually has kind of some fissures through

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Jason Mefford: It and and now that I see that are identified that you can actually feel where some of those cracks are as well. Right, it’s it’s pointed it’s it is

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Jason Mefford: Rough

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Jason Mefford: Hmm.

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Jason Mefford: Interesting.

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Kathy Gruver: So what that’s trying to do is to be present without judgment.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: Which will help us in our visualization, which will help us in our communication or leadership. I actually just randomly grabbed this little skunk.

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Kathy Gruver: That a friend of mine made she’s the same person that got me the little least oh so when we did the what’s on your desk episode this little guy.

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Kathy Gruver: They got a 3D printer at the company that I do work for. And so she 3D printed me the skunk. And it’s really light and I didn’t. I’ve not really held this before I just stuck it on my desk, it’s incredibly light. It’s got a texture, the entire thing has a texture to it.

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Kathy Gruver: And I think if someone just handed this to me. I could tell it was probably, I don’t know that I would definitely wouldn’t have known it was a skunk, but it’s got a smooth bottom and it’s just got this really cool texture and appointee little nose and it smells like nothing

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Kathy Gruver: But yeah, it’s kind of there’s rough spots and they’re sharp swelling. His little hair is really rough and

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Kathy Gruver: You know, he’s got this point put little points and stuff on the tail. So it was kind of a cool activity for me, even though I was kind of do directing you as well. But I did close my eyes and was doing it along with you.

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Kathy Gruver: I think that’s a great exercise and sometimes when I’m doing longer workshops on the stress reduction, like I’m about to do a three hour workshop I will have everybody do this.

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Kathy Gruver: Because it’s a mindfulness practice, but it also awakens that kinesthetic part of ourselves because so often we go through our day not feeling anything

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Kathy Gruver: And we don’t pause and think about that we can. What are we hearing, you know, what are we, smelling, what, what are we feeling too. And for those of us who are really kinesthetic, I think it’s a great way to tap into that that relaxation response that relaxation techniques sort of thing.

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Jason Mefford: Well, even because you know again like as, as you know when when you’re going through a hypnotherapy session with people, you’re, you’re incorporating a lot more of these things into it right because

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Jason Mefford: Because again, you’re, you’re trying to if you’re doing something where there’s a visualization aspect to it. Right you are, you’re trying to get

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Jason Mefford: You know, and again, for me this was this. This is a little different. Right, I’m learning but you know of incorporating colors. You know, you know, feel the tree bark look up and see how green the leaves are right. So you’re you’re pulling a color into it. So you

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Jason Mefford: Can see what is, you know, see how the wind is moving the leaves. Right. So you’re you’re hearing some of these kind of different things as well. You know, I’m like you said, you know, reach out and

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Jason Mefford: And feel yourself touch the door knob and open the door knob that there’s these little things that the, the more that we incorporate in it’s going to make those those visualizations more lively

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Kathy Gruver: Right.

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Jason Mefford: And it’s going to activate those different parts of our brain.

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Jason Mefford: Because that’s, that’s one of the things, as I’ve

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Jason Mefford: Studied, you know, neurobiology is is there’s different parts of the brain that are associated with each sense. And so the more of the senses.

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Jason Mefford: Like it said, What is your thing.

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Jason Mefford: Smell like. Yeah. Well, that seems kind of weird, right, it was like when Peter said, Jason, what does money smell like. And I’m like, I don’t want to pull out my wallet, right, because I’m literal

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Jason Mefford: But, but when you you know like in that instance, when we were talking with him earlier previous podcast, you know, for him, he was talking about, well, to him money smells like the ocean.

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Jason Mefford: Is money allows him the freedom to be able to walk on the beach and smell the ocean air.

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Kathy Gruver: Right.

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Jason Mefford: And so again, any of those things that we’re doing the more sensory we can we can get in it, I think, the easier it makes us from a visualization and consequently the manifestations side.

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Jason Mefford: So many people are just trying to just see a static movie go on in their head but pulling more of that stuff into it will actually help

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Kathy Gruver: And and we have this debate, all the time, but pretty much all hypnotherapist agree. You can’t have hypnosis without visualization

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Kathy Gruver: Whether it’s, you know, a progressive muscle relaxation, where you’re picturing your, you know, your feet up through your body or you’re walking down the stairs or you’re in the hot air balloon, you know, visualization and hypnosis go hand in hand. And so, for people who

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Kathy Gruver: Quote can’t visualize and there are people that truly cannot see pictures in their head, they can they can experience it without having to see it.

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Kathy Gruver: Because just because you can’t visualize something you still know something like if you can’t visualize and I send you to the store for a lemon. You don’t have to look up what a lemon looks like before you buy it.

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Kathy Gruver: You know what a lemon is you might just not be able to see it in your brain. So

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah.

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Jason Mefford: And I think we still see it, but it’s not. It’s not like watching a movie or TV.

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Kathy Gruver: Oh no, they can’t see anything.

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Jason Mefford: In nothing at all.

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Jason Mefford: Nope, okay.

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Kathy Gruver: No picture. Like, if I say picture cap. She gets nothing

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Kathy Gruver: Huh, yeah. No, that’s a thing. I can’t hear what it’s called.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah. Cuz there’s there’s very few people though. I think that fall into that right

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, no, it’s, I mean, there are people visualize well. But no, I had a client who literally cannot see a picture in your head.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, if your childhood home. She’s got nothing.

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Jason Mefford: Okay and see for me. I don’t, I don’t see a clear, crisp picture in color, necessarily, but I can, you know, like you said, when you say a lemon. I’m not seeing a lemon. But my mind is still kind of picturing it even though I’m not seeing it. So I think that’s anyway.

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Jason Mefford: That’s where I said, I’m probably down further on that end, but it’s

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Jason Mefford: It’s in, I think, to probably the more that I do it, the better. I’m going to get at it.

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Jason Mefford: Did is, is, you know, the more you do things like that, the easier it’s going to be when you know like again if

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Jason Mefford: Let’s say now if you said hey picture pink courts. Well, I just touched that pink courts. Right. And so again, that that physical tactile thing that I did. And going through that exercise my brains programmed what I just saw and learned and it’s bringing back that picture to me.

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Jason Mefford: In my brain.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah. And one of the there’s something called heavy, light, which you can use either to see how his hypnotize level, somebody is like if you’re doing a stage show, you’ll have the entire audience do this.

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Kathy Gruver: Take someone that’s really suggestible or it’s a great induction is you picture backup rip my head off you picture.

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Kathy Gruver: Because your brain is so powerful. So we can picture what those. I mean, I’ve seen people’s bicep. Just go blank. When you say there’s heavy books, you can see the strain and to hold the books up. It’s pretty spectacular. It’s really cool.

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Jason Mefford: So that’s a, that’s a way, like you said, for stage shows for the hypnotist to be able to determine who’s more suggestible

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Kathy Gruver: Yep.

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Kathy Gruver: Under and be able to

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Jason Mefford: Relate it needs to be done during, during the show.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, it’s also an induction. So I’ve done, I’ve gotten clients into hypnosis using that

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Kathy Gruver: So I’ll have you know when when your when your hand with the books touches your lap. You’ll go deeper and hypnosis. I’ll put in the other hand down. It’s also a what we call improver

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Kathy Gruver: It shows you your brains following instructions because if you I can’t be hypnotized. And you do that to somebody in their hands are now like this like

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Kathy Gruver: Oh my god, that’s so cool, you know, or will do you know magic fingers, where the fingers good magnetic fingers closer

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Jason Mefford: online program that I got. And she’s kind of going through it to one of one of the exercises was, you know, hold, hold up your hand, you know, everything together.

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Jason Mefford: And so you just sit there and think of, you know, or try to imagine visualize energy going to your hand and he’s just sitting there talking, you probably have your eyes closed for maybe 30 seconds as he’s talking and you open your hand, you know, and mine was like this.

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Jason Mefford: Again showed that even though, you know, like you said, those magnetic fingers to the other stuff that

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Jason Mefford: The mind can actually do that.

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Kathy Gruver: Matter. Yeah.

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Jason Mefford: I was doing asleep hypnosis, you know, one time and, you know, they said, open your eyes. But you can’t open them.

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Jason Mefford: Try. Okay, I’m going to try it. It was like, holy crap. I really can’t open my eyes. It’s like I’m trying, and I can’t do it.

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Kathy Gruver: The more you realize you can’t open them because to him with his language stuff. He says the word try indicates failure.

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Kathy Gruver: Can you pick me up after work. I’ll try. I’m means you’re probably not showing up. You know, so unless you want

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Kathy Gruver: Someone to fail, especially I’m talking about hypnosis about real life you know you use the word, try, try, try as hard as you try to open your eyes. You just can’t. Your brain goes, Oh, I can’t. Oh, shoot. You’re right, you know,

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Kathy Gruver: What I’m like Mendel’s things we we use trial and hypnosis.

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Jason Mefford: I’ve heard it from the other side.

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Jason Mefford: You know, trying to trying to just provide some some tips for people again. Right. So, you know, again, some of you may be

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Jason Mefford: Activates, if you will, that you can bring in, whether that’s physically crumpling up the paper or, you know, seeing yourself touch the doorknob feel the coolness of the door knob, you know, turn it, you know, what does that for 990 to 90 degrees, you know, to open the door, whatever it

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Jason Mefford: Is right each of those things for a kinesthetic person is going to make that more real for them.

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Jason Mefford: If you don’t know, and even, even if you’re predominantly one, the more you involve the more it’s going to stick in those different places in your brand.

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Kathy Gruver: Sure. Of course. Well, but in reality. If we look at what we’re doing right now we’re touching things we’re hearing things were smelling things were tasting things were sense. I mean, the senses go all the time.

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Kathy Gruver: And smell is actually incredibly powerful one. Because that goes straight to the brain. And a lot of our memories come from smelling something and it’s so funny. My boyfriend. I were finishing up watching the good place.

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Kathy Gruver: Love that love that TV show. Oh my god.

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Kathy Gruver: But one of the episodes. When they get to the good place. It’s it always smells like your favorite thing. And so for cheating, who was a philosopher. He went

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Kathy Gruver: Oh, old books in the library. Any other certain smells just take you back to something right, whether it’s cookies or well

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Kathy Gruver: To me it would be this smell of this sweet grass that I remember, not only from like mowing lawns and Pittsburgh, but also the sweet grass. I remember smelling in England when I was there.

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Kathy Gruver: That would be my happy place smell takes you straight back to something, whether it’s a certain perfume where you’re like, Grandma, you know, I mean, it’s like, that’s

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Kathy Gruver: So we’re surrounded by all that. So in hypnosis and visualization and in in

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Kathy Gruver: Abundance work is real. As you can make it the more apt. It’s going to be to happen. So make it is real bring everything in. And that way it’s gonna you’re going to get more of what you want. I’m still doing this that abundance that 21 day abundance program, we’re almost done.

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Kathy Gruver: But, um, yeah, making these visualizations real for you is, is key.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, all right. We blown through our time once again.

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Jason Mefford: So, there again, there’s another tip for you to go out, try, try, you know, something a little bit different because, you know, like we’re all about here. No one thing works for every person. So try some of these different things. We’re bringing your lots of different things on

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Jason Mefford: You know, and he was he was talking about the rock star. I mean Mike’s one of the best hypnotherapist in the world and he couldn’t with hypnosis get through to this guy, but the mapping exercise.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, and also just in life experiences things on a different level. If you’re not, you know, take something off your desk, and what does it feel like, oh, this is smooth. It’s cold. It’s got some rib.

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Kathy Gruver: That’s it. It’s got a flat bottom. Oh, there’s a little bumps on the ball, you know,

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Kathy Gruver: It’s a white out thing. I don’t need to identify this as a white out container. I just want to experience this thing as a as a thing, you know, without having to label it judge it that’s going to change how you approach every aspect of life as well. So go out, grab grab something not someone

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Jason Mefford: Know, Bob, kill the white out late the white out but not your coworker.

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Kathy Gruver: Was causing problems. We need to go to Bob right for the bombs out there. Okay, well we’re again coming something fun to try go experiment go out, make the world a better place. Okay, I’m Kathy Gruber. I can be reached a Kathy Gruber calm.

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm, so go out, try something new this week and we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast. See ya.

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