Fire & Earth Podcast E125: Heart Energy Techniques and Awareness with Karen Stultz

Today is all about 3 letters. H E T… Which is “Heart Energy Techniques”.

We host our discussion with Karen Stultz who is a mindset mentor and online business strategist who will teach us what “HET” is along with her integrations with EFT, Hypnotherapy, Essential oils and other strategies to help get past mental blocks.

So lets look at the heavy and light side of things and get tapping with Karen Stultz!

Listen in at: http://www.jasonmefford.com/fireandearthpodcast/

Transcript

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Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast i’m your co host Jason method.

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kathygruver: And I am Kathy gruver and we are so excited today to have another phenomenal special guest join me in welcoming Karen stoltz to the show today.

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kathygruver: Karen Thank you so much for being on we can’t wait to talk to you.

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Karen Stultz: Well, thank you so much for having me, it is a total pleasure hanging out with you guys I can just feel fun is number one and fun we’re going to have.

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Jason Mefford: We are we are gonna have fun.

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kathygruver: try our best, sometimes we get silly but that’s Okay, too.

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Karen Stultz: So why don’t.

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kathygruver: You walk up well that’s very true.

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kathygruver: You are, how you what you do give us the rundown on all that.

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Karen Stultz: Oh, all of that stuff well basically i’m a six figure mindset mentor and an online business strategist who throws in some creativity with something I like to call H E T, which is heart energy techniques.

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Karen Stultz: Using a little things like.

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Karen Stultz: Well i’ve integrated i’ve created.

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Karen Stultz: The.

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Karen Stultz: system basically from hypnosis hypnosis.

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Karen Stultz: I have a degree in hypnotherapy i’m a master nlp and certifications but none of that makes any difference, I mean it’s basically you want results right so i’ve just integrated everything and eft and all of those different techniques in there, hundreds of them.

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Karen Stultz: And for those that don’t know eft is emotional freedom techniques and it’s techniques, because so many of them so i’ve just integrated all of them, along with essential oils and different things to help alleviate the blocks the frustrations the.

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procrastination.

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Karen Stultz: and

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Karen Stultz: relationship problems to it also helps that he does so yeah.

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kathygruver: With the coaching and then that’s great.

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Karen Stultz: To get rid of that you can actually grow your heart centered business.

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Jason Mefford: Because I think I think that’s you know that’s the biggest thing is, you talked about blocks frustrations and obviously procrastination which usually procrastination is because there’s some block right.

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Karen Stultz: Then I know we’ve we’ve talked about this, I mean we love.

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Jason Mefford: hypnosis nlp eft all this kind of stuff we geek out on this stuff.

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Jason Mefford: On here so we’re glad to have you all right.

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Jason Mefford: But it’s.

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Jason Mefford: it’s it’s just amazing I mean like you said you know you’re at heart energy techniques.

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Jason Mefford: How much of the time it’s us that are blocking what’s going on it’s some energy block it’s us not understanding, some of these simple and in very powerful techniques and a lot of people just don’t know about.

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Karen Stultz: Right that’s that’s it then, and you know, the thing is is so simple that a lot of people cannot believe.

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kathygruver: That they’re actually just set up because.

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Karen Stultz: it’s so simple and I had a client yesterday you know she’s.

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Karen Stultz: Really struggling with relationship loss, and we did one.

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Karen Stultz: Of the hgtv techniques and it’s like oh my gosh I feel light, you know it’s like I wow what happened.

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Karen Stultz: In one fashion.

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kathygruver: yeah and that’s great, and I think I love that you said simple because i’m just going to say that i’ve had so many people were you know.

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kathygruver: Like my father or family members, or you know clients, where I introduce some simple technique like I can’t be that easy What if it is that easy.

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kathygruver: Though that everybody be doing it well.

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kathygruver: What if it’s that easy you know what if you try it and you see that it works, and then you can tell all of your friends at the Bowling league that it is that easy.

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kathygruver: You know it, I think we have this idea in our mind that we have to struggle that we have to suffer that we, it has to be so complicated because we all know that it’s not what’s happening it’s the story we tell ourselves about what’s happening so.

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kathygruver: Talk about the simplicity of some of these techniques I love that you like made lifetime learner.

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kathygruver: Get all these techniques turn them into one thing.

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kathygruver: What was that point where you realized hey I needed to sort of make my own thing.

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Karen Stultz: Well, I tell you it basically I I was never into this, this was like.

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Karen Stultz: Total whoo whoo I was like probably your father it can’t be that easy, but I knew, deep down that anything had to be relatively simple relatively fast, so I started studying coaching found out coaching is great it’s wonderful so much faster than and better than 20 years of.

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Karen Stultz: In office psychotherapy and, in my estimation, and I said, but it isn’t fast enough, not for me I I need help, I need help now what else is out there, so, like you, lifelong learning and.

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Karen Stultz: I found that I was.

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Karen Stultz: But the oils help, but the oils only help if you also do this and that person is not into hypnosis and and they just want to prove you wrong, so what is another way what is another way and, finally, after all these certifications and degrees and whatnot I said.

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Karen Stultz: there’s got to be way, to put it all together and, and that is it so basically after I talked to one of my clients, we find out what the situation is.

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Karen Stultz: And we just start moving towards it and let’s let’s free it up, you know eft is another word for eft for your listeners if they don’t know they probably do because you’re very yeah tapping tapping and I also like the.

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Karen Stultz: The the.

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Karen Stultz: Ease of it and the forgiveness of it, the one thing my clients often say is.

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Karen Stultz: I don’t know if i’m doing it right you can’t do it wrong, we can’t do it wrong.

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kathygruver: And if you feel better you know you know there’s certain I don’t know that we’ve actually had an eft person per se, we have Mike mendell on we’ve talked about it, we had mark on be talking about how a photo photo.

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kathygruver: But you know the there’s certain locations that you’re supposed to tap I don’t do eft, but I think I kind of remember side of the hand.

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kathygruver: If you feel better when you’re done you didn’t do it wrong, you know do better at the end I think that’s with so many things you know with with any of these techniques, do you feel better it yeah that’s.

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Karen Stultz: that’s it.

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kathygruver: Better it’s that simple.

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Jason Mefford: Well, I think it’s great I mean it’s.

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Jason Mefford: like that.

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Jason Mefford: You know it’s like I mean your clients come in, they kind of tell you what’s going on and then it’s like you have a pharmacy you know.

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Jason Mefford: we’re not talking about pharmacology here but, but you know effectively where you can say well okay there’s these five things that can help you let’s now create something that’s going to work for you right.

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Jason Mefford: Because I remember you know when we’re talking with like Mandela about hypnosis there was somebody I mean he’s a.

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Karen Stultz: Huge in hypnosis.

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kathygruver: But.

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Jason Mefford: he’s amazing hypnosis wasn’t working.

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Jason Mefford: For this one client and so he did eft with him, and it was like boom that that hit it for him and so.

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Jason Mefford: Having all these different tools, I think, is fabulous because, like you said just one by themselves might not do it.

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Jason Mefford: Different people react, you know differently to different things, so you have a whole medicine cabinet, if you will, ways to help people, but I wanted to kind of come back is because we taught, you know talking about energy, and you use the word, you said, your client felt light.

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Jason Mefford: And I just wanted to talk about two words that I hear people say a lot and I used this word for a long time, have the.

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Jason Mefford: I feel.

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Jason Mefford: Right.

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Jason Mefford: Excuse me versus light so maybe let’s exactly if we can talk a little bit about the energy because also you know you think about like the energy spectrums you know fear depression down at the bottom, you know well being happiness joy at the top.

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Jason Mefford: That is there there’s there seems to be a connection to write that when people are using words like heavy they’re in emotions that are down in those lower frequency energy areas when they feel like they’re up at the top, as well.

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Jason Mefford: Right so.

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Jason Mefford: So i’m guessing you have a lot of people that come to you they’re heavy they say things like that So how do you how do you help them kind of move move back up.

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Karen Stultz: Because that’s what we’re.

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Jason Mefford: What you’re really kind of move it up here right.

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Karen Stultz: Exactly exactly the first thing I have a program that actually my My big program is awesome life success and awesome is an acronym with the a being.

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For awareness.

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Karen Stultz: So becoming more aware of us, and how we’re feeling.

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Karen Stultz: And like you say those lower.

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Karen Stultz: scale emotions, the guilt, the fear depression and i’m not a psychologist Thank you awesome i’m not there, but.

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Karen Stultz: And that’s why what I do.

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Karen Stultz: is not going to hurt you.

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Karen Stultz: And miss will try it right so anyway um I asked them to become a very aware and notice, if you were holding.

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Karen Stultz: your hands out and your left hand was the way you’re feeling now and the right hand is the way you want it to feel.

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Karen Stultz: Instead, what would that be like.

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Karen Stultz: And whenever you have an issue that you golly I just I just don’t know what to do, I just don’t.

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Karen Stultz: If you just sit back and take a moment and say to yourself, which feels lighter.

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Karen Stultz: And, and whatever the answer is, is there is no right or wrong, it is absolutely fine just be aware of it, acknowledge it take it and be responsible for it.

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Karen Stultz: And I can’t tell you how many times I have sat down on my couch saying I should go upstairs and go to my office and I should be doing this, but i’m also very aware that if I am in that I should I need to I have to mode.

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Karen Stultz: i’m going to do a crappy escaping a bad job.

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Karen Stultz: i’m going to do a horrible job.

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kathygruver: I love it and it’s so funny I traveled recently it was so nice to be in an airport I forgot what a microcosm of craziness being in an airport.

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kathygruver: Three exceptional examples of reactivity of entitlement of judgment of just nastiness and I just kind of got to sit back and go.

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kathygruver: hmm I got to the airport I love to read on planes that’s the time I have my alone time I brought my book, but stopped into the store and I was called to this book The greatest secret.

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kathygruver: So it’s a.

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kathygruver: follow up book to the secret now I didn’t like the secret, because it was all material I want this car with this House, I want this girl I want this, you know, it was very material based, which is not why we manifest things it helps.

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kathygruver: Not saying we shouldn’t have material things often though we want more spiritual development, so I bought this book kind of almost but grudgingly, but kept calling to me, so I start reading it it’s all about awareness.

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kathygruver: it’s all about.

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kathygruver: 1% of awareness and i’m sure I use the word awareness, all the time what’s hilarious, though, is in the past five days since I picked up this book every interview i’ve done has been about.

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kathygruver: Awareness every client conversation i’m having is about awareness.

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kathygruver: There are no.

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Jason Mefford: Day it’s about awareness.

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Karen Stultz: and awareness, you know.

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kathygruver: it’s true and and I just literally got off a call about my new book on communication.

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kathygruver: And they said, you know, one of the keys, what are the keys of communications, you have to know what you want, you have to be aware of what you want, how to communicate that, because if you don’t know what you want.

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kathygruver: you’re not gonna be able to get it you don’t get into an uber and say take me somewhere and then be mad that you didn’t get to where you want it to go, you have to know your destination and then trust that the uber driver.

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kathygruver: The universe, is going to get you there, so I love that you start with awareness that is just the key to everything.

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Karen Stultz: is absolutely the key the other part of that is action inspired action.

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Karen Stultz: yeah so like you say you get into your uber and take me somewhere that doesn’t help but alright, so I know I want to go to the west coast, I live here in maine I want to go to the west coast.

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Karen Stultz: But without a plan without the right action you’re not going to get there, or maybe you will but it’s going to take you a whole lot longer a whole lot longer yeah.

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kathygruver: yeah.

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kathygruver: that’s true if you don’t have a map and you hope you pick the freeway that goes West.

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Karen Stultz: And you find out no wait a minute i’m on 91 going South yeah.

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Jason Mefford: And I love that question that you asked to which feels lighter.

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kathygruver: I love that.

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Jason Mefford: right because again i’ve noticed in one of the coaching programs that i’m going through as a student to.

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Jason Mefford: A lot of the coaches, one of the questions that they’ll ask is kind of similar to that which is just.

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Jason Mefford: it’s kind of a kick in the face when somebody does it right because we’re usually committed to struggle we’re committed to making things harder.

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Jason Mefford: than they have to be but it’s like, why are you making an issue out of something that’s not an issue.

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Jason Mefford: Or why can’t it be light and easy you know and and I think a lot of times that’s such a.

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Jason Mefford: Very simple question right, which again might go back to some of the nlp stuff right because that’s a lot about asking questions because the quality of our life is determined by the quality of questions right.

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Jason Mefford: that’s right an LP Okay, so you know, asking those questions and then going that way because again like you said if if you’re trying to get to the west coast there’s a lot of different ways, you can do it.

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Jason Mefford: You can just walk out your door you’re walking.

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Karen Stultz: Turn right.

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Jason Mefford: And 3000 miles is gonna take you a long time right.

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Jason Mefford: Well it’s like you put you put the address and your phone and you forget that it’s on.

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walking.

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kathygruver: downtown.

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Karen Stultz: Wait a minute 37 days.

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Jason Mefford: Right, so you can you can go.

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Jason Mefford: Here we go and it’s unscripted to so.

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Jason Mefford: Much of my throat.

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Jason Mefford: So you can choose to do that, you can drive, you can go get on an airplane there’s different options, you have right as well and which one is easiest for you.

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kathygruver: Well, and we’re on the west coast.

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kathygruver: You want to go portland go from portland portland Oregon you know is or poor performance I click on the coast, but you know you got to Oregon you got Washington and California, Mexico, where do you want to go.

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kathygruver: And that’s why I love the specificity of it, too, and when we’ve talked with people like Victoria, who came on and did law manifest you know law of attraction manifestations of it is about that specificity.

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kathygruver: And I remember affirming years ago when I was an actor.

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kathygruver: And i’ve told the story before you know I want to be a working actor, I want to be working act i’m a working actor and I realized, oh no i’m already a working actor, I want to be a working actor.

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kathygruver: So I started doing that affirmation, I am a paid working actor and then I got a gig that paid like four bucks an hour little more specific yeah need to be a little more specific, you know.

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kathygruver: And do my affirmations at night with my mental bank and stuff like that I have this many clients, if this much money and I weigh this much pounds that I will you know it’s like be specific, with what you want.

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kathygruver: And what feels better.

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kathygruver: I love that you do, that people have done the you know leaning forward leaning back when you say something.

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kathygruver: sort of yeah.

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Karen Stultz: But I like.

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kathygruver: muscle testing love the what feels lighter that’s i’ve never heard that before the so great yeah.

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Karen Stultz: So yeah and I, and I do I love that it is all about awareness again isn’t it and what happens if they don’t know where they’re going, are they they.

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Karen Stultz: are having a real challenge oftentimes it’s because they are a little afraid to actually look at something because hey you know what I I am stuck here and it can’t be easy.

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Karen Stultz: Because i’m not worth anything if it’s easy.

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Karen Stultz: And it’s like and that’s getting into psychology which I am not but.

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Karen Stultz: You know why not like you say what if it was what if it was easy.

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Karen Stultz: Okay, so.

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Jason Mefford: It was simple and you’re bringing up something so Kathy was just talking about the awareness keeps hitting her in the face right so you’ve hit on one that’s been hitting me in the face, which.

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Jason Mefford: goes back to self worth.

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Jason Mefford: Which which is you know again that how much of us being held back is really because of some of these unconscious blocks.

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Jason Mefford: That we have related into self worth and we all have these.

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Jason Mefford: Right, I mean everybody who.

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Jason Mefford: We think is is is really struggling with this as well and and how actually just focusing on something even as simple as like you said, being aware.

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Jason Mefford: And something like self love self care actually you know really having a sense of self worth and we are worthy.

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Jason Mefford: of having those things manifest because, again, as I keep getting hit in the head with the two before on this so it’s like.

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Jason Mefford: If things aren’t aren’t working out the way you want that’s probably one of the biggest areas to work with so i’m interested, you know and your clients is that kind of pop up as a common theme with them, usually.

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Karen Stultz: Absolutely, and it took me a long time to realize that I had that same issue as well, so it, I think, like you say everybody does in some level.

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Karen Stultz: And the more you stretch out that old programming comes back and says oh wait a minute all right, we let you stretch to this point, but maybe we’re not sure about letting you stretch to that point.

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Karen Stultz: So what I love to do is is the opposite in eft I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of that I use that in my hgtv.

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Karen Stultz: Which is basically.

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Karen Stultz: The tapping you tap on energy meridians around your your face and and head and.

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Karen Stultz: With each tab you say something.

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Karen Stultz: i’m not worthy enough to have this.

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Karen Stultz: Sure, I am no i’m not I am totally worthy no i’m not yes, I am I am totally worthy no i’m not yes, I am yes, I am no i’m not no i’m not.

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Karen Stultz: And then my part that i’ve added is taking your palm of one hand putting it on the inside of the rest of the other hand, taking a deep breath in release and saying peace.

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Karen Stultz: And just saying it helps it helps you get centered and then notice again getting back to awareness.

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Karen Stultz: What came up.

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Karen Stultz: Did you feel like you were not telling the truth when you said you were not worthy.

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Karen Stultz: Maybe.

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Karen Stultz: And if not, what else came up why aren’t you worried they that’s tap on that.

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Jason Mefford: yeah i’ve never heard the opposite, you know i’ve always heard of eft as far as you know, being like the positive kind of affirmations that you’re saying.

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Jason Mefford: But it’s it’s interesting to go through that because you’re effectively reprogramming yourself right by by bringing out those negative thoughts or feelings that we’re having and then convincing yourself or showing yourself, no, I actually am worthy.

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Karen Stultz: Right huh uh huh or or even finding a way to if it’s too, what if it’s too too much to handle to be able to just say okay.

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Karen Stultz: Maybe i’m not worthy of it, right now, but I know I am worthy.

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Karen Stultz: So I expect that I will be able to do it if I do this one little thing this one little thing will make me feel a whole lot better i’ll feel lighter I can follow through a little bit better.

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Karen Stultz: Yes, I can do this, it gives you hope let’s hope is.

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kathygruver: Also, great.

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kathygruver: Absolutely, and one of the questions I like to ask if it because, again, the self worth and comes up in almost every single one of my coaching clients.

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kathygruver: Whether it’s fear of failure, fear of success, are you worth.

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kathygruver: That thing that you want, and so they have that voice that says they’re not worthy and I always ask is that your voice, or is it someone else’s voice.

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Karen Stultz: Oh it’s my mom like that.

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kathygruver: And then we get like.

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Karen Stultz: You know it’s it’s yeah.

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kathygruver: I love that don’t be too big, why are you showing off nobody cares what you just did that you know social media is ruined that.

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kathygruver: because everyone has a platform now, and they can be as big as they want or as big as they want to make up.

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kathygruver: But you know it is that’s that what are we telling ourselves and what are these people throughout our lives telling us so when you have a client who.

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kathygruver: You know, and you just sort of touched on it, you know, has that message from their past.

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kathygruver: As well as the tapping and everything do any of the other techniques you use help to sort of shut that that negative mom voice out or that and that was nasty or whatever it is, you have any other techniques that you like.

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Karen Stultz: yeah well indeed being able to do a little bit of the nlp.

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Karen Stultz: And and doing a little bit of timeline and and going back and say okay.

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Karen Stultz: Is this yours is it somebody else’s.

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Karen Stultz: How about we just get rid of that feeling all together.

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Karen Stultz: let’s just get rid of that feeling, all together, because bottom line, unless you have that feeling inside of you, you wouldn’t even know that you had an issue.

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Jason Mefford: Somewhere coming inside.

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Jason Mefford: yeah and doing things like like like a timeline exercise like that you know as i’ve gone through and done some of those before it’s like you know you come out of it it’s like holy shit right.

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Jason Mefford: That that voice in my head is me that was my brother, right now, I remember you know being five years old and hearing this or being being disappointed.

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Jason Mefford: Because of a particular situation like i’m not five anymore, so why do I keep thinking that’s real and that’s still going on right, and so you can kind of push and get that finally out of your life are cleared by seeing it from this different perspective.

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Karen Stultz: And I kind of like looking at it as.

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Karen Stultz: Once you’re aware of it, you can make a conscious decision to make that change as opposed to.

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Karen Stultz: pushing it away because pushing it away is kind of resistance and once that resistance comes in your subconscious, as you all know, is going to say what we’re not gonna let you were stopping you right here.

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Karen Stultz: So being able to you know just really am one of the little things just on the on the tapping again right right in front of your ear I don’t I have my thing there, but right in front of the top of the year, low.

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Karen Stultz: Right at the top of the year there’s a little soft spot there.

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Karen Stultz: And that is where our trauma.

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Karen Stultz: All of those things, create trauma in us.

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Karen Stultz: And that’s where they’re kind of held so being able to just massage that.

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Karen Stultz: Along with the eye, so you know, putting your handling.

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Karen Stultz: All four fingers on the side of the eye and.

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Karen Stultz: Right at the Oscars massaging that, as you were thinking about that and saying i’m making a decision.

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Karen Stultz: I can let that go now that.

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Karen Stultz: I don’t need to carry my mother’s stuff.

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kathygruver: yeah oh that’s great that’s so awesome and of course we’re almost out of time.

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kathygruver: it’s been so fun having you so any any final thoughts any any tip the tapping is awesome any other tips that you can give that someone can do as soon as we get off this show is they can just make it a small change in their lives today.

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Karen Stultz: sit back and notice that heavy and light if it is something that you really.

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Karen Stultz: want to do.

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Karen Stultz: And you’re not doing it procrastination.

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Karen Stultz: And, rather than analyzing Why am I not doing this just notice if I did this would it feel better or not and and notice that heavy and light and I actually put my hands up there.

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kathygruver: yeah.

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Karen Stultz: And this is something and okay.

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Karen Stultz: I don’t being forgiving to yourself there’s no reason in the world that you have to do it.

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Karen Stultz: Though.

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Jason Mefford: Allow in i’m guessing when you do this with clients to right because I see this, a lot of people I work with are very left brain analytical.

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Jason Mefford: And so they like to overcome everything.

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Jason Mefford: Right and and so when you’re doing an exercise like this again i’m guessing you want it to be.

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Jason Mefford: quicker intuitive kind of hits because you know again once you get to the seven or eight seconds now your consciousness is starting to come back in and you’re talking yourself out of.

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Jason Mefford: What you already know right so again as as people are doing this sit back notice if it’s heavy or light don’t sit there, and like Fred on it for a minute it’s like you’re gonna know pretty quick when you asked yourself that question I think too right.

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Karen Stultz: Absolutely absolutely and all it does take a little bit of willingness to be aware yeah willingness to make that that shift and recognizing that, if indeed.

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Karen Stultz: This is something that you truly would like to change.

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Karen Stultz: Millions of people have already made that change, including myself yeah so.

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Karen Stultz: It doesn’t mean that you have to make the same change and jump.

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Karen Stultz: Do it little step.

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kathygruver: By step by step, I think that we forget that you know i’ve had so many people say how do you write a whole book I don’t.

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kathygruver: you write word by word and then you have a paragraph and then you have a chapter and then you know I think we do when we making those big decisions of do I stay or go in my marriage do I say yes, this promotion or do I quit my job, do you know that seems like such a huge thing.

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kathygruver: And we forget that we can have these incremental changes and to trust the answer.

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kathygruver: Because I know i’ve had opportunities, where i’m like I should probably take that and then it falls through it i’m like oh my God.

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kathygruver: And I realized Oh, I actually didn’t want you know it’s the flip the coin thing and then, how do you feel about the result if you’re disappointed, then you’ve answered your question if you’re excited, then you answered your question, so I think it is about.

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kathygruver: Questioning sitting in that stillness and listening and then knowing you can make those changes incrementally.

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Karen Stultz: And also journaling journaling is so powerful so powerful I had a client, you know she’s been really struggling with her co worker and the situation and what do I do, what do I do what I.

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Karen Stultz: OK, so we did the eft we did a lot of other stuff and I said now what I want you to do is sit down and write all of the good things about having this person there and the negative things as well.

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Karen Stultz: and take a look at it and say, this is it noticing the emotions that are coming up, these are the good things, these are the not so good thing well guess what the next day, the very next day after that exercise the woman quit.

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Karen Stultz: quit her job she was out of the office.

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kathygruver: Not an issue hey I love it I love it.

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Karen Stultz: that’s not.

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kathygruver: Easy yeah Karen this has been fabulous.

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kathygruver: Jason Jason any final thoughts before we get karen’s contact info.

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Jason Mefford: Well, I think, just as you said that you know with that client that did the journaling and then the next day, I mean it gets back to again, one of the common themes that i’ve heard over and over again, we already know the answers to our questions we just got to get out of our own way.

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Jason Mefford: Right and so doing things like.

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Jason Mefford: That sit back put your hands out ask yourself the question you know which feels lighter we already know we just have to be aware and accept, and I think you know what you said you know we have to be aware and then make a conscious decision right.

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Jason Mefford: So, again whether it’s that exercise whether it’s journaling we probably already know the answer we just have to use some of these techniques and then trust ourself.

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Jason Mefford: That that really is the right or the best decision, and you know the other thing is so many people are afraid and don’t do anything because they think oh my gosh once I make a decision, I can never make that decision again right.

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Jason Mefford: it’s like know when I was a kid I hated broccoli I still don’t like it.

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Jason Mefford: But i’ll.

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Jason Mefford: eat it now right heck in 10 years I might just love this stuff right, I have, I have the choice it’s my it’s my right.

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Jason Mefford: To make different choices at different points in my life so it’s that way for everybody, with everything just because you make a decision now doesn’t mean you can’t change it later right.

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Karen Stultz: Absolutely I love it well that’s that’s it exactly isn’t it yeah three months is is the time that I usually give people you know what.

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Karen Stultz: Are you feeling good about it right now let’s make it happen if, at the end of three months, you say you know what that may not be what I wanted, after all, I went to something now.

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Karen Stultz: Exactly, we can shift it but but give it some time get it some time yeah.

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kathygruver: I agree, I was a bit of fabulous conversation, how can everybody reach a Karen.

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Karen Stultz: Thank you so much for having me this is awesome awesome awesome.

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Karen Stultz: Well, you can reach me on Facebook at like parents stults that’s K R E and S T you ltc.

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Karen Stultz: I have a website of Karen stoltz.com surprise, surprise and.

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Karen Stultz: I actually am having a Facebook challenge, making five K 5000 in 15 days, creating programs and and getting rid of those blocks so that’s that’s coming right up to the second quarter of the year and that’s.

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kathygruver: awesome yay we will make sure we send people there, this has been a fabulous conversation everybody be aware this is going to be my word for the for the.

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rest of the.

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kathygruver: awareness.

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kathygruver: Awareness hitting me on the head Jason you could have self worth i’ll do awareness will reconvene and we’ll see how it’s.

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kathygruver: Going and.

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Jason Mefford: Now that i’m aware of my self worth issues now I can actually make conscious decisions that way.

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kathygruver: awesome exactly.

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kathygruver: Exactly go somewhere.

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Karen Stultz: All right, come to me it’s a beautiful place.

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kathygruver: I.

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kathygruver: One of my favorites one of my favorite places excellent i’m happy Gruber, I can be reached at Kathy Gruber calm.

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Jason Mefford: And i’m Jason method, I can be reached at Jason method calm so go out take a couple of tips from today’s episode and actually change your life this week by starting to make some of those small steps and we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast see ya.

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kathygruver: See ya.

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Karen Stultz: bye bye Thank you.

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