Fire & Earth Podcast E115: Removing Subconscious Blocks with the Mind Whisperer Dawna Campbell

In today’s episode we speak with Dawna Campbell, who shares wonderful insight on how our subconscious mind affects the lives that we lead.

From feeling held back in your career or personal growth to physical manifestations of pain your own mind may be culprit… As well as the solution!

If you enjoyed this episode and want to get a copy of Dawna’s book “Financially Fit”, visit: https://financiallyfitbook.com/.

Learn more about Dawna at: https://dawnacampbell.com/ and book an appointment with her at: https://dawnacampbell.com/book/

Transcript

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Kathy Gruver: hey everybody welcome back to another episode of the fire earth podcast i’m your co host Kathy river.

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Jason Mefford: And i’m Jason medford and today we have a very special guest on a Campbell and I know we were talking a little bit before we started hitting the record.

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Jason Mefford: you’re going to love today’s episode and when you listen and hear what Donna has to say and you start doing some of these things.

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Jason Mefford: Your life is going to change dramatically, so I build it up a little bit, but don I want you to introduce yourself tell everybody a little bit about what you do because it’s just fabulous what you’re doing.

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Dawna Campbell: Alright, well, thank you so much Jason and Kathy for having me here i’m excited this is amazing.

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Dawna Campbell: And for everyone out there i’m Donna Campbell I am known as the mind whisper because I have an innate ability to help you uncover your hidden.

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Dawna Campbell: subconscious energies things that are blocking you from creating a life that you really want to have.

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Dawna Campbell: And we’re consciously aware of our thoughts about 10% of the time, the other 90% are deeply hidden and we don’t know what’s happening.

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Dawna Campbell: And the law of attraction says your thoughts create your reality, but your thought will only come into existence about 30 to 40% of the time, the other 90%.

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Dawna Campbell: or the other percentage there to have it come into all of the time is the thoughts and feelings, the emotions underneath.

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Dawna Campbell: That thought that create the reality so often we don’t know that we are sending out energy signals of, say, anger or frustration or depression or sadness and when we shift and change those to a higher frequency, then that thought will start creating what you want to have in life.

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Kathy Gruver: yeah I love it and, as you and I talked about this before our before we had a session.

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Kathy Gruver: i’m a hypnotherapist and we talked about how trying to get into that subconscious and tap into the subconscious to release those blocks to release those limiting thoughts.

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Kathy Gruver: Sometimes we don’t even know they’re there you know there’s a technique I teach called mental bank that basically rewires your ideas around money and accomplishment.

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Kathy Gruver: And you know you find that maybe you heard your father always saying all those rich bastards making more than 25,000 a year or.

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Kathy Gruver: So now, you make 24 999 and there’s part of me that’s going, you know, and you know it, you don’t realize that that’s programmed, and you wonder why you could never break that ceiling, who knows what happened that you heard just in passing.

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Kathy Gruver: That got embedded in your subconscious so I love this conversation i’m so excited about it.

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Jason Mefford: And it’s it’s a whole idea I mean like you said right 90 95% of what we do is all subconscious, so why can we not figure out.

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Jason Mefford: Because it never makes it to our consciousness right and so that’s why, when we’re trying to think our way through something.

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Jason Mefford: Good luck with that right, because your your consciousness probably is never picking up on it and it’s it’s funny Kathy that you bring that up about like the 25,000 right there are so many.

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Jason Mefford: Of these boundaries that we set for ourselves, you know people wanting to get to six figures and oh I just can’t get to six figures that’s a boundary.

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Jason Mefford: You know 500 a million, I mean there’s there’s like these different boundaries that almost I mean so many people they get up to that point and they just can’t get past right, I mean I was that way, I had a boundary.

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Jason Mefford: Up until this last year right that I just couldn’t get past a certain revenue point, and last year I went past it right so.

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Jason Mefford: it’s it’s funny so Donna taught, you know let’s get him let’s start talking about this because i’m sure as people are listening they’re like oh that’s totally me right.

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Dawna Campbell: Absolutely I work a lot with purpose driven business owners just for that very thing that you said Jason because.

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Dawna Campbell: We create these invisible boundaries are these invisible limits that we just can’t get on the other side over to get to that next level.

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Dawna Campbell: and through the process, I can take you through it to get to that next level to to release what was holding us back and getting into the energy that propels and moves us forward and that’s what my book financially fit is about.

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Dawna Campbell: i’m formally a financial advisor and a managing principal and this book is really all the stuff I wish I knew before I was a financial advisor to help people create that world of wealth that they’re looking for.

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Jason Mefford: Okay.

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Jason Mefford: I was gonna say cuz it’s interesting because you’ve got the financial advising background right and and how much of the time, do we self sabotage ourselves.

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Jason Mefford: Even like that you know it may be, as a financial advisor you might be suggesting something and people don’t go along with it just again because of some of these subconscious things that they’re self sabotage themselves about.

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Dawna Campbell: What.

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Kathy Gruver: And I was thinking to how how this applies to so many other things here, we talked about looking to refine that perfect relationship, I can never weigh 130 pounds.

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Kathy Gruver: I could, you know how many people get to 132 and are like damn it I have those two more pounds, you know it some of that, of course, is a set point in our own bodies.

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Kathy Gruver: And the what is that point where we’re sabotaging ourselves where we we get so close and we have the extra for brownies I wouldn’t that’s not me I wouldn’t do that that’s i’m talking about myself, but you know it’s like no not at all.

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Kathy Gruver: You know so it’s like I see this apply to so many other areas, and when the secret came out.

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Kathy Gruver: One of the biggest complaints about the secret was it was all physical stuff it was the Ferrari, it was the House, it was the vacation it was the.

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Kathy Gruver: And this translates to everything to spiritual development to emotions to relationships to love to.

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Kathy Gruver: So you know we we look at it from the thing of money because that’s a symbol that goes directly to our subconscious so it helps us apply and all other areas, and I do agree with that on or my.

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Dawna Campbell: Honestly i’m the reason why I put together financially fit first is because money is a form of energy, and we are energy beings so money is the outward expression of who we are so what’s happening in your life is how your money is behaving.

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Dawna Campbell: Because by itself there’s it doesn’t have an intention, but the way the universe works is it’s only reading that subconscious frequency that we are sending out.

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Dawna Campbell: and returning that to you, so if we can shift and clear a block around money it’s going to affect your health it’s going to affect your relationships, because it’s only reading that energy code to give you an example.

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Dawna Campbell: um I had a couple of years ago had dated this person and I didn’t want to date them anymore I wasn’t an alignment it wasn’t you know the best fit for me.

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Dawna Campbell: And I just kind of started pushing back and resisting saying no, no, no, thank you, but now.

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Dawna Campbell: And a while later I had sat down and had lunch with a friend and instead of hi how are you haven’t seen you in a while it was.

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Dawna Campbell: What is all this resistance about that, like What do you mean and she’s like you have resistance it’s all around you What is this about.

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Dawna Campbell: And i’m like well this situation and she’s like knock it off, you know how this works you’re resisting everything in your life you’re resisting money and you’re resisting this and you’re resisting that i’m like okay Okay, thank you i’ll go work on myself i’ll change this.

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Kathy Gruver: We love those friends.

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Dawna Campbell: Right totally fine without it was totally true I didn’t know the magnitude of the resistance I knew there was resistance, but I didn’t know how strong it felt until she shared that with me and then I realized that was was running my life.

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Dawna Campbell: And I needed to shift and change that and when I did everything else started opening up and all the other opportunities yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: yeah I love it so tell tell us what a session with you looks like because I had, I had a little.

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Kathy Gruver: Just quick one i’m about to go book up like a big one, but like, how do you work, how did you figure out asking multiple questions, how did you figure out you could do this first of all, and how do you work with individuals.

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Dawna Campbell: i’m Okay, how did I figure out that I knew I had this ability to do that when I left the financial services world my health deteriorated.

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Dawna Campbell: For two years, I couldn’t digest food my marriage ended when I realized that digesting food is about digesting life and there was things in my marriage I couldn’t digest.

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Dawna Campbell: And then, of course, I became financially devastated, even though I followed all of the money rules, so I had three wake up calls and those are the same three areas clients asked for health, wealth and relationships, because we want happiness prosperity and.

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Dawna Campbell: And it was through that whole process I ended up living in an ashram, which is a spiritual living Community for a year.

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Dawna Campbell: Because I saw that I was the common denominator till it all, so I started studying brainwave patterns meditation techniques.

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Dawna Campbell: Science physics, you name it because I knew that there was something underneath my circumstances that was holding it in place.

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Dawna Campbell: I had met a medicine woman who taught me this simple strategy called pivot and shift and she mentioned in the physical context.

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Dawna Campbell: and said that if there’s something that’s happening in the room that you don’t like you can get up, you can move your body, you can change positions wash your hands get a glass of water leave.

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Dawna Campbell: because every time you physically move it shifts and changes the energy.

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Dawna Campbell: And then I realized that you could apply it emotionally, and that in every moment every frequency every possibility exists.

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Dawna Campbell: So if you’re in a moment of frustration or anger or depression and you don’t like it, you have this ability to immediately shift it.

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Dawna Campbell: So, then, I went into private practice as an energy healer and for 11 years worked with clients internationally.

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Dawna Campbell: And for the last two years i’ve uncovered this process that you can use, and I can show you how to use it even to make those energetic shifts and change it.

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Dawna Campbell: To create that life so it’s been 25 years of me as a financial advisor me as an energy healer to put this all together.

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Dawna Campbell: And that’s the process that I use today, so what a session looks like we would just connect I would go into an alternate.

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Dawna Campbell: brainwave pattern it’s a form of meditation i’m shifting those and then I asked to enter your space, so I can do the energy reading and understand and see everything that’s going on, and when you tell me what you want to shift and change.

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Dawna Campbell: Then I start going through different questions to understand where that energy got encoded and then through that pivot and shift strategy we change it in that moment to what it was that you wanted.

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Kathy Gruver: jason’s thinking.

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Jason Mefford: it’s like it’s like it it, it sounds so simple.

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Jason Mefford: It is simple, it is, it is simple, but it’s like you said it’s taking you 25 years to figure out how to do this right and so.

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Jason Mefford: You know, those of us that are sitting there and i’m sure I mean i’ve had these feelings i’m sure everybody who’s listening has had these feelings right where sometimes.

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Jason Mefford: you’re sitting there and you’re like God damn it what is wrong, why can I not whatever it is right.

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Jason Mefford: And, and we don’t know what it is and so again moving into that alternative brainwave pattern right, so we can.

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Jason Mefford: Access the subconscious more you in your ability to actually be able to read energy of people and start to then ask the questions right, because this is one thing that you know, one of my mentors always tells me the the, the answer is always with him.

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Jason Mefford: And and you’re just helping people.

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Jason Mefford: You it goes back to that word resistance right we all want to resist and the minute that we stop resisting and allow and allow those answers to come out then again you’re able to help your clients clear those blocks and then it’s like.

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Jason Mefford: Right.

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Jason Mefford: I mean you experienced that in your life too.

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Dawna Campbell: Oh absolutely absolutely and I have to do the same thing for myself what’s interesting isn’t because you don’t have to know meditation you don’t know how need to know how to manually shift your brain waves in order to utilize this.

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Dawna Campbell: Because i’m in a shared energy, space with you physics says there’s no time and space.

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Dawna Campbell: And when I enter your space I become a part of you, and you become a part of me, and we are in a shared energy field, right now, the three of us are in a shared energy field, because we’re having this conversation.

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Dawna Campbell: And because I know how to do this when I enter your space.

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Dawna Campbell: What happens is energetically you start shifting your brainwave patterns to start matching mine as an automatic process and you don’t even know it’s happening.

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Dawna Campbell: So naturally you’re going to start filling calmer and more peaceful or more, a little bit different in the process, because we’ve combined our shared energy fills.

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Kathy Gruver: This reminds me of the example because when I teach meditation and mindfulness and affirmations do all this stuff inevitably I have someone sitting there going such bullshit.

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Kathy Gruver: It reminds me of the experiment, where they put two pianos next to each other and they hit one note and the piano next to assert vibrating at that same frequency.

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Kathy Gruver: We are all sharing this stuff we’re all sharing this energy and.

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Kathy Gruver: You know I remember talking to my father years ago about some alternative medicine technique that has had really good research behind it really good and he was.

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Kathy Gruver: Very skeptical about things like that, as well if it’s that easy why isn’t everybody doing it.

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Kathy Gruver: I said, have you ever heard of it before like it it can’t stuff can be that simple, you know stuff can be this easy and just because we’ve not heard of it, yet and you’re not reading about it on the cover of time doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist so.

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Kathy Gruver: Do you run into a lot of skeptics do they even find I mean like I would assume a skeptic wouldn’t even find you, but if you’re talking to someone who just goes out this is bullshit.

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Kathy Gruver: Do you have a rebuttal that up.

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Dawna Campbell: You know i’m not necessarily a rebuttal but what happens is I like i’m working with a wife she’ll put the husband on the phone and this really did happen, he had kidney stones.

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Dawna Campbell: And he had a lot of doubt, now I had met him before he kind of knew, but no, no, no, no, no, not for me, this is still a little kind of different weird.

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Dawna Campbell: And she one time she put them on the phone because of the kidney stones and he said that, I have to go in next week for the sonar wave procedure to vibrate them out, and I said well let’s just use the process here.

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Dawna Campbell: And I sent over energetically being in their space, the frequency that was needed.

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Dawna Campbell: For him to release the kidney stones now I knew I had a week, they were kind of big there was two of them, I saw the before picture I have the after picture.

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Dawna Campbell: And i’m like give yourself a couple of days, but somehow energetically he totally accepted everything.

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Dawna Campbell: and less than 24 hours later, I had a photo of those kidney stones out he didn’t have to do the sonar wave procedure go through all of that he was able to do his business travel.

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Dawna Campbell: The following week i’m working on him working with him about cat allergy, so it works on all things What else do you think shifted and changed in this life because we change the energy frequency of those kidney stones other aspects of his life started also changing as well.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and I want to ask you a question about that because it’s you know again it’s.

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Jason Mefford: The synchronicities and like you said, our shared energy field now as well right so.

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Jason Mefford: When we have a hypnotist on before guess who gets to be the guinea pig.

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Jason Mefford: Okay, so.

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Jason Mefford: So it’s probably not a coincidence that this morning I woke up with some back pain that I haven’t had for a little while right and so just like you were talking about this man with a kidney stones, a lot of times these energy blocks show up in some physical ailment right.

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Jason Mefford: So you know, again I have gone, I mean for a long time it was I was having this same kind of back pain, no excuse I mean no physical reason for it and i’ve gone now probably a few months without really feeling it, but this morning.

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Jason Mefford: i’m feeling it again right like like this, this poking.

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Jason Mefford: In my upper back near my right shoulder blade where it just feels like there’s something there right.

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Jason Mefford: So when things like that happen to I mean are there are there may be different.

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Jason Mefford: parts of the body that means certain things or again how to you because I don’t have this gift yet of being able to read the energy like you do, but how, how do you know or how do you start trying to help diagnose this with people when they have these things that come up right.

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Dawna Campbell: So for you, because of the location i’m going to say it’s like right here, and you.

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Dawna Campbell: Okay um it crosses between two areas, one is family and one is carrying burdens so there’s an energy of.

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Dawna Campbell: That you’re carrying all the burden in a family or in a context of a relationship because it’s your left side it’s your feminine side, so I know it has to do with a female.

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Dawna Campbell: or somebody in the families, such as mom or grandma or or or so we’d have to uncover that what I would do, knowing that piece, there is, I would ask you, first, when you feel the energy and the pain that’s poking at you there, what does it feel like what energy or emotion is that.

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Jason Mefford: ouch I mean it’s all that, so let me, let me think about that because, again right I haven’t really, really thought about that, but this whole idea of family and burdens.

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Jason Mefford: Yes, that does resonate with me right as well, because you know i’m the trustee for couple of family trusts there’s some family dynamics and issues there you know me as far as the primary financial earner in with my wife.

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Jason Mefford: And and it’s interesting that you use the word burden because another word that I will use sometimes as I feel heavy.

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Jason Mefford: which sometimes also goes back to the word sad right that sometimes when we feel heavy when we feel burdened we feel sad and the energy that we lead off is sad and in fact i’ve noticed that in myself right for for a few years i’ve been.

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Jason Mefford: For rewind to three years ago, I was much more sad than I am now because i’ve been trying to know i’m i’m stopped using the word trying I am incorporating more fun in my life and being more fun and light instead of the heavy and sad right.

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Dawna Campbell: Okay, so close your eyes for a moment.

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Dawna Campbell: Okay, where do you feel the sadness down in your body.

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Jason Mefford: Right now, the only thing i’m feeling is that that part in the back okay.

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Dawna Campbell: So when was the very first time, you can remember feeling that energy in your back.

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Dawna Campbell: The burden of sadness.

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Jason Mefford: mm hmm this is where I struggle some i’ve had very different sad things experience in my life.

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Jason Mefford: One before was when my brother died when I was teenager.

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Jason Mefford: But i’m sure there’s has to be things before and after everything else too right.

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Jason Mefford: yeah.

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Dawna Campbell: So when you were a teenager what age was that.

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Dawna Campbell: So was there a time before 15 that you can remember a portion of that energy.

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Jason Mefford: Not right now okay.

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Dawna Campbell: So then, what we would do if we were in an actual session, and you can open your eyes.

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Dawna Campbell: Is unravel what happened around those events and why that sadness got encoded there as one of the points of origin, and then it will open up the doorway and access it to a previous time.

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Dawna Campbell: To when it first started, so we can change that energy, because what happened here is as much as you have done consciously to make these shifts and changes there’s a quite.

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Dawna Campbell: Somewhere in that timeframe that your mind got stuck in a minute.

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Dawna Campbell: tying sadness to in an event so then it just keeps facilitating and rolling and going forward to the next layer, the next layer, the next layer until we embody it, and then we have the pain in the shoulder around it.

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Dawna Campbell: And then, when we change it, what happens is a higher frequency comes in.

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Dawna Campbell: And when it when it changes in that higher frequency the higher frequency goes through every aspect of your body, this will stop i’m also willing to bet that.

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Dawna Campbell: When this starts failing and flaring up is when you, maybe even just a week or so before things start coming for like the trust and the things with your wife and so it’s like a precursor to events that are coming because the body and the energy already knows.

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Jason Mefford: already knows that it’s coming.

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Dawna Campbell: Right and so there’s a cyclical pattern that happens, and the body’s starting to giving you indication that events are coming up and it’s keeping you stuck in this loop.

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Jason Mefford: yeah because, again, I mean it’s.

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Jason Mefford: i’m i’m still working on tapping into feeling my energy more because i’ve been trained as a thinker right i’m a CPA auditor by training, I mean very analytical.

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Jason Mefford: And so i’m working on i’m working on it i’m getting there but it’s but it’s interesting because you know, like you said that.

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Jason Mefford: That burden and to me it kind of goes back to feeling.

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Jason Mefford: The weight of caretaker responsibilities financially right.

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Dawna Campbell: And what is happening now, even though you’re carrying it on your shoulder at the time with your brother I would be willing to bet money that that sadness, is in your heart space.

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Dawna Campbell: And heartache and heartbroken this that started it just moved from here to back here, which is kind of almost the back side of the heart area.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and what’s what’s interesting right is again, I feel the pain on the right side.

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Jason Mefford: But when I when I use a massager on my back where I where I feel it at that point is the left side yeah the left side is is sore and is pulling the right side and feeling it on the right, but it’s really the last where that energy is probably trapped.

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Jason Mefford: Okay.

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Dawna Campbell: When you go through the whole process leases because it’s the emotion and the feeling that gets tied, so if we stay in a lower energy vibration, such as sadness.

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Dawna Campbell: Eventually, it does go into the physical body, because it condenses our energy field.

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Dawna Campbell: But when we’re in the higher emotions, like the happiness and the joy and the peace it expands our energy field, and because it expands out our energy is free flowing and fluid you don’t encompass it in the physical body.

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Kathy Gruver: As a massage therapist and someone who studied with Louise hay and you know all that sort of stuff it’s interesting because people come to me with physical.

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Kathy Gruver: issues and i’ve had so many people on my table with low back pain, where some people I know they looked at something heavy it’s it’s a physical thing.

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Kathy Gruver: That might be an emotional or spiritual or you know energetic vulnerability for them, but you know they say I pulled something playing tennis great.

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Kathy Gruver: There are times that weren’t good someone on my table and i’ll go into the whole mind body thing and i’ll say well you know low back is support issues money issues sex issues relationship issues and they go Jesus which one do you want to hear about first.

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Kathy Gruver: Because there is that energetic stuff there and i’ve said this to you know construction workers and guys are plumbers crawling under houses, who.

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Kathy Gruver: You would think their stuff is just Oh, I have a rip out because, as soon as you said that Jason my first thought was go to the chiropractor you have a rip out, not to say there’s not an energetic component behind that so I have this like.

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Kathy Gruver: massage anatomy brain and then this reiki and spiritual you know energetic one and I have to keep mixing the two of them.

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Kathy Gruver: But it’s interesting i’ve had guys, who are sure they just lifted something heavy and it turns out to be some deep seated.

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Kathy Gruver: You know, sexual issue from childhood or their wife or their spouse or that you know so i’m loving this conversation it’s so fascinating and you know just having that.

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Kathy Gruver: Quick reading with you, I could feel a shift and it kind of changed my mind not changed my mind it shifted my perspective on some of the blocks that i’m having.

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Kathy Gruver: So tell us we’re getting closer to the time tell us about the book what is in the book and then how can people book an appointment with you.

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Dawna Campbell: Oh, my goodness, so financially bent is out, and you can get it on well we’ll give you guys, the link.

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Dawna Campbell: And it’s really about the process and what’s underneath all the hidden stuff in creating that world as well.

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Dawna Campbell: So I share my story in the book and I also make some relationship connectors to how money is energy your energy so when we talk about ourselves when I work with clients often they get to the energy of.

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Dawna Campbell: I want to feel worthy I didn’t know that you know I wasn’t appreciated i’m not valued and when we talk about money from financial funding standpoint.

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Dawna Campbell: haha well here’s your network your portfolio appreciated or D appreciated this amount here is the value of your assets.

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Dawna Campbell: And the universe is only reading the energy that you are free set frequency that you’re sending out it’s not looking at it well it’s only about money, not about everything else and.

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Dawna Campbell: So it takes you through that to make that relationship connection that you are a divine essence and how you feel about money is how money behaves how money is behaving there’s a component to what is in within you.

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Dawna Campbell: And then I go through and talk about things that sabotage your self sabotaging afterthoughts I talked about the energies, we need to be in which I could have called virtues how to manifest and create.

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Dawna Campbell: For purposeful creation, how it ties into sex money power control they’re all interconnected and then how to start really creating your own financial influence story.

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Dawna Campbell: So those are all the components in this one book and I talked about that pivot and shift strategy and how to start using it for you.

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Dawna Campbell: I also to book a session with me, all you have to do is go to my website Donna campbell.com and there’s a link there that says sessions, you just click on it, and then you can.

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Dawna Campbell: Experience a session, I do have a program that’s going to be coming out as well the financially fit program and I should have that year well within the next week or two finalized So if you wanted to go through the program training that goes with the book, you can do that.

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Jason Mefford: But i’m guessing people if they go to your website Donna Campbell calm when that comes out.

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Dawna Campbell: it’ll be.

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Jason Mefford: it’ll be it’ll be linked there as well, then to right, and I think that’s that’s.

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Jason Mefford: It i’m glad that you’re doing that, too, because you know, I have a training company and i’ve studied learning for a long time.

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Jason Mefford: And everybody thinks well i’m just going to go by the book and that’s going to give me all the answers and i’m going to be fine and right.

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Jason Mefford: Reading a book is great, and I encourage books, I mean we’ve all written books right and and I love books, but having a program or going through a session with you actually puts it into practice, because if you just read the book and put it on the shelf shelf help right and so.

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Jason Mefford: glad yeah.

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Jason Mefford: Oh, my gosh that’s huge in education very it’s.

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Jason Mefford: Like you know that’s not self.

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Jason Mefford: Help that’s just shelf help because you just you read it, you put it on you didn’t do.

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Kathy Gruver: anything different right.

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Jason Mefford: Because that’s where if we’re going to incorporate if we’re going to do these things you actually got to do something different, and and so having the program having the ability to talk with you one on one that’s the doing to get the energies unblocked right absolutely.

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Dawna Campbell: So let’s give you the Foundation and then you really have to either go through a session with some mentoring, or the program to apply it yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: I love it I love it so tell people again your website.

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Dawna Campbell: It is Donna Campbell calm so da pull you in a Campbell.

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Kathy Gruver: awesome awesome awesome this was such a fantastic show i’m so glad I met you I love linkedin we just.

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Dawna Campbell: Connected with you guys.

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Dawna Campbell: yeah easy.

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Dawna Campbell: Oh yes.

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Kathy Gruver: Oh thanks yeah I don’t remember how we, you and I connected, I think you reached out to me and we connected and I did the session and then, here we are, you know you never know where things are going to lead the universe unfolds.

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Dawna Campbell: Or the intuition.

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Kathy Gruver: Exactly what unfolds exactly the way it’s supposed to.

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Kathy Gruver: Clear exactly where we’re supposed to be excellent well i’m Kathy gruver I can be reached at Kathy river calm.

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Jason Mefford: And i’m Jason method, I can be reached at Jason method calm so go out get donna’s book, you know if it resonates to you sign up with a session with her and get into a program because again.

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Jason Mefford: This is great stuff and it works it works, so do it, and with that we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast so yeah.

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