CAE Briefing E24: 2019-11-10

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In this week’s video I discuss and provide my comments on Richard Chamber’s recent blog post “The Road Ahead for Internal Audit 5 Bold Predictions for the 2020s.”

I’m not so sure they are really “bold” but are some things you should be thinking of as you move into 2020.

A link to Richard’s blog is included below.

Have a great week 🙂

Transcript

welcome to another edition of the chief
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audit executive briefing haiya this week
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I wanted to talk a little bit about
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Richard chambers most recent blog post
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this called the road ahead for internal
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audit five bold predictions for the
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2020s so you know first off I’m not so
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sure that these are really that bold of
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statements but I wanted to go through
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and just kind of talk to you about each
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one of them because I think that really
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they are things that you should be
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considering especially as we’re moving
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into 2020 now the first one that he
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talked about is what he calls the rise
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of uber auditing and and what that’s
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meaning is it’s referring to the fact
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that a lot of jobs an internal audit may
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end up becoming short-term contracts
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freelance type work which is its normal
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I mean that’s expected we’ve been seeing
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this trend for quite a while and of
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course this is also going to affect our
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profession as well
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now with this a couple things for you to
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think about so the first thing is yes
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you may start using more outside
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contractors to be able to help you in
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your auditing and this makes a lot of
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sense especially the more specialized we
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get in some of the particular audits
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that’s probably going to be a good
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opportunity for you to bring in people
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to help you on some of these more
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specific type of projects that require a
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higher level of expertise so that’s
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going to be normal and again I think
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you’ll be seeing this but also with us I
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want to bring up another point that
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again we’ve been seeing a lot too so he
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makes reference to Eber and what you
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we’ve been seeing in the news as well is
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even though a lot of companies are
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trying to move from employees to
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independent contractors there’s been a
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lot of companies that have gotten in
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trouble for that and so this can also
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relate to a risk in your organization as
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well is to make sure that you are
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actually
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doing what you need to do so that it
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doesn’t come back and bite you in the
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butt later on it’s it’s the independent
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contractor is getting to be a very
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complex area and especially because
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there have been some new laws and other
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things that have come out there’s been
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one in California and you’re gonna see
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more coming out throughout the next year
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so because usually once California does
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something many of the other states start
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to do that as well so I think that’s
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going to raise a risk for most of your
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organization’s that you’re going to want
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to start thinking about your independent
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contractor relationships and make sure
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that you are modifying based on some of
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those new laws or regulations the next
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point was about data ethics and
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artificial intelligence governance will
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become the next decades culture audits
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again I know a lot of people are still
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struggling with trying to do culture
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audits in we’re not really there yet
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but I do agree with him that things
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around data ethics around privacy are
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going to be more and more important in
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the future in fact again there was just
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a recent bill that was proposed in
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Congress this week to actually set up a
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separate privacy regulator to be able to
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help manage privacy around social
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networks and some of the things like
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that so that is going to be an area
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again privacy will continue to be a
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bigger and bigger thing now the third
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point was the torch will be passed a new
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tech savvy and tech fearless generation
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I don’t think there’s anything bold
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about that I think we’ve known that for
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a long time we need to improve the IT
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skills in our audit departments because
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more and more of what we do is in
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technology and requires those skill sets
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the fourth one is about the image of
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internal auditors as bean-counters will
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finally end I hope that is the case I am
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probably not as as optimistic about that
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as what he may maybe
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portraying their and here’s the reason
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why a lot of Internal Auditors are still
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focusing on accounting finance financial
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reporting controls internal controls
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around financial reporting we’ve been
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stuck in that for a long time since
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socks and we do have to break out of it
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and I think that we can and we should
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you know and the way to really be doing
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that is through more risk-based internal
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auditing and again not in the way that a
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lot of times the ia talks about it
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because they’re they’re talking about
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risk usually at a very low level in the
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organization but the way that risk-based
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auditing was intended to begin with that
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those of us in the profession that have
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been talking about this for the last 10
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or 15 years is where we’re focusing more
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on the objectives of the organization
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we’re partnering more with with
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management and I think that is where
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that’s going to help us to get out of
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that bean-counter mentality he is as we
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are helping management in auditing those
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areas that relate to the key objectives
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of the organization and really doing
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risk-based internal auditing the way
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that I teach it I think that really will
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help us kind of get rid of that that
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stigma from from a bean-counter
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perspective but it means that we’re
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gonna have to do a lot of things
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different in the future the fifth one is
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around scandals will heighten awareness
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that internal audit serves the public
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interest now there’s going to be a lot
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of other scandals that come out we’re
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due for another big issue where there’s
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lots of corporate failures other
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governance issues and scandals that will
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come out now I don’t think that the
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scandals by themselves will turn the
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public’s attention and say oh we need
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more internal auditing I think that’s
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something that we are going to have to
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help with and again that’s where
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risk-based internal auditing can come in
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and help as you are seeing other company
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he’s going through these scandals you
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know and going to your management trying
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to help figure out do we have some of
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the same issues here what can we do to
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try to help you know change or do better
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so that we don’t get pulled into those
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same sorts of scandals some of that goes
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back again the like what I was talking
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about before with the independent
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contractor status you know and like I
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said there will be more scandals there
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will be more regulation there will be
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more laws that come out of it whether or
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not internal audit is viewed by the
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public as as kind of the savior on the
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white horse to come in and save
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everything I’m not sure about that but
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again we need to be trying to do that
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and to try to help out so that we can
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end up providing more value to our
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organizations because ultimately you
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know unless we are doing that unless we
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are actually focusing on the key
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objectives of the organization and
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helping the organization to meet those
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objectives showing that we can actually
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do that and then really moving into that
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trusted advisor role that’s where we
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really can help out in our organization
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and again I’ll talk more about trusted
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advisor because again I think a lot of
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times people end up being either
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frustrated ignored or tolerated
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instead of being seen as a trusted
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adviser but I don’t have time to talk
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about that this week so anyway those are
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some of my thoughts around richer’s most
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recent blog and with that I wish you a
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great week ahead and look forward to
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talking to you next week see ya