CAE Briefing E22: 2019-10-27

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This week’s video is about some myths and misconceptions related to risk-based internal auditing that are hurting our profession. Instead of being stuck down in the weeds, we need to be more aligned with management at the strategic level.

If you missed the first webinar I did on this topic, you can listen to it through the cRisk Academy on-demand platform here: https://ondemand.criskacademy.com/p/establishing-or-improving-a-risk-based-audit-approach/

I have a follow up deeper dive Q&A session on risk-based internal auditing scheduled on the topic on Thursday, October 31, 2019 · 9:00 AM PDT. Here’s the link to register for the FREE webinar: https://www.bigmarker.com/crisk-academy/Deeper-Dive-Risk-Based-Audit-Approach-with-Questions-and-Answers-Q-A

To go even deeper and get the step-by-step process, check out the new and updated course on risk-based internal auditing. You can also receive your Certified Risk-Based Internal Auditor (cRBIA) professional designation when you complete the course and pass the exam: https://ondemand.criskacademy.com/p/certified-risk-based-internal-auditor-crbia/

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More to come on risk-based internal auditing. Stay tuned 🙂

Transcript

00:00
welcome to another edition of the chief
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audit executive briefing hey in this
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week I wanted to follow up again and
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talk a little bit more about risk based
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internal auditing and you’re gonna hear
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me talk a lot about this and again some
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of you may be wondering why are you even
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talking about this this is kind of old
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news we understand it the reason I’m
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talking about it is I think there’s a
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lot of misconceptions and myths about it
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and in fact when I’m actually looking at
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working with other chief audit
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executives working with internal audit
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teams and I dig a little bit deeper I
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find out that they’re not actually doing
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risk based auditing now here’s some of
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the problems around that and these are
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some things that we’re seeing in the
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industry in general and and when I
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explain these you’ll see why I’m talking
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more about risk-based internal auditing
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because here’s the reality you know I
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teach lots of people on the CI a I have
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a CIA review course that helps people to
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be able to prepare and pass the exam so
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they can get certified and I’ve got to
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tell you honestly the information in the
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material and the information about risk
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based audit that is on the CI a exam in
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my opinion is actually wrong okay but I
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have to actually teach that to help
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people pass the exam so what I’m doing
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now is through different means I’m
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actually teaching you what it actually
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means and again because I think there’s
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a lot of myths and misconceptions around
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that now to talk about why I’m talking
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about this let’s talk about some of the
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challenges that we have currently in our
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profession we see that internal audit
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continues to be stuck down in the weeds
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we’re down at low levels in the
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organization we’re doing good audit work
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but for the executive management team
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they’re thinking why are you focusing on
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those little things way down in the
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organization
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and we continue to get stuck there and
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part of the reason is we’re not using a
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true risk-based
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and that’s why we’re so far down now
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we’re also seeing that management is
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believing that internal audit is not
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adding as much value and some of you may
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say what your that doesn’t sound right
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well from lots of different surveys that
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have been done executive management has
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a much lower view of internal audit much
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much less believing that we’re adding
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significant value than what we believe I
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mean it’s usually about 40% lower than
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what we think
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which means there’s something going on
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there they’re not seeing that we’re
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adding as much value as we believe we
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are and that’s an issue that we have to
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address now what we’re seeing from that
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is a lot of internal audit groups are
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becoming obsolete or getting downgraded
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so what does that mean well if executive
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management does not believe that you’re
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adding value the way they need the value
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they’re gonna start new departments that
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do a lot of the work that internal audit
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used to do or what they’ll do is cut
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back on the internal audit resources and
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so we’ve seen this in a lot of different
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positions where the chief audit
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executive used to be maybe a senior vice
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president or a vice president and those
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positions after the person leaves when
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they’re being refilled you see those
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actually downgraded so instead of hiring
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a vice president level as a chief on an
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executive the next go-around
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it’s a director level position less
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money less exposure in the organization
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reporting lower and lower in the
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organization and again as I said we’re
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seeing this quite a bit throughout the
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organ and it’s a challenge that we
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really have to address and one of the
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ways that we can do that is through
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doing more truly risk-based auditing
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because when you do that you align much
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more with management with the key
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objectives of the organization that they
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are dealing with at a much higher
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strategic kind of level instead of
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getting stuck
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down in the weeds now when we do that
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and when we are actually able to
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increase and improve our soft skills
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along with our technical skills we can
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actually start to be seen as a trusted
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adviser in the organization because what
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we’re doing is more again risk-based
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focused on the key objectives and we’re
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moving away from the traditional
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historical auditing into something that
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is much more proactive
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which is exactly what management needs
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okay
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so again that’s why you’re going to be
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hearing me talk a lot more about risk
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based internal auditing there’ll be more
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webinars more things on the podcast
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about this because again it’s an area
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that I really feel passionate about and
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I think that the old traditional
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internal audit model that a lot of
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people continue to use and that
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continues to be perp perpetrator or
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perpetrators propelled forward by some
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of the professional service firms and
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other organizations is actually hurting
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the profession and we need to wake up
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and actually do things a little
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different so that’s why I’m talking more
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about this you’re gonna see more about
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it and I’ve included some links down
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below if you want to go in a little bit
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deeper to learn more about what I’m
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talking about in more depth because
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again in just a couple minutes video I
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can’t really give you everything that
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I’m thinking about
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so with that go out have a great week
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and hope to see on some of the things
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that are coming up around risk based
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internal auditing we’ll see you later